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CHAdeMO connectors being squeezed out?

Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 4:35 am
by CanuckEVDriver
Just noticed that a new public EV charging station is about to go live near me (Electrify Canada, Canadian Tire, Coventry Road, Ottawa).

They have 4 stations set up, with 7 CCS connectors and 1 CHAdeMo connector. (There'll be a lineup of LEAFs waiting to charge, but quite a few empty CCS spots)

Does this mean that EV charging companies have decided on which connector to go with?

I wonder if Nissan is considering changing their charging port on the LEAF? Or maybe some kind of CCS-to-CHAdeMO adapter?

Re: CHAdeMO connectors being squeezed out?

Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:13 am
by Learjet
if we could get a CCS to CHAdeMO adapter....problem would be solved.

Re: CHAdeMO connectors being squeezed out?

Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 2:03 pm
by DougWantsALeaf
You can find Chademo to ccs, but not the other way.

It’s been a topic of discussion over the years.

Leaf and Outlander still sell in enough quantities to keep Chademo installs increasing, though EA weights heavily toward CCS.

EVGo, Greenlots, etc. are more balanced.

Re: CHAdeMO connectors being squeezed out?

Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 2:43 pm
by WetEV
DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Sun Apr 19, 2020 2:03 pm
You can find Chademo to ccs, but not the other way.
Oh? Where? I've not seen one, and I looked, as Chademo has better geographic coverage in Washington and Oregon.

Both basically require a box that emulates a CCS car on one side and a Chademo charger on the other side, or vise versa.

It would be far easier to have a car with both CCS and Chademo connectors.

Re: CHAdeMO connectors being squeezed out?

Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 3:31 pm
by leaf16
DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Sun Apr 19, 2020 2:03 pm
You can find Chademo to ccs, but not the other way.

Is that because it is technically more difficult to make an adapter from CCS to Chademo
or just not enough of a market to develop and sell it?

This could be a real trip saver with all those EA sites with only 1 Chadmo and multiple CCS chargers.

I bought a TeslaTap --- J1772 addapter for use on the Tesla Destination Chargers found at many Hotels now.
Lets you do your charging while you sleep and start out with a full charge from the Hotel --- works great.

Re: CHAdeMO connectors being squeezed out?

Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:08 pm
by webeleafowners
CanuckEVDriver wrote:
Sun Apr 19, 2020 4:35 am
Just noticed that a new public EV charging station is about to go live near me (Electrify Canada, Canadian Tire, Coventry Road, Ottawa).

They have 4 stations set up, with 7 CCS connectors and 1 CHAdeMo connector. (There'll be a lineup of LEAFs waiting to charge, but quite a few empty CCS spots)

Does this mean that EV charging companies have decided on which connector to go with?

I wonder if Nissan is considering changing their charging port on the LEAF? Or maybe some kind of CCS-to-CHAdeMO adapter?
That’s just because it is Electrify Canada which is owned by Volkswagen. All the other networks tend to be evenly weighted between Chademo and CCS. At least here the vast majority of EV’s sold are Chademo compatible. Namely because the vast majority of EV’s sold here are Tesla’s and Leafs.

We have two EV’s in our driveway. Both are Chademo compatible. From being part of both the Leaf and Tesla communities it is surprising how many households have these two EV’s in their driveway, especially around here.

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In this Province coordination of EV fast chargers is headed up for and partially sponsored by the government although various networks and companies are involved in the actual installations including 2 gas companies, Shell and Petro Can. I doubt the province would sign on to any installation that excluded a format used by the majority of EV’s sold.

Jmho.

Re: CHAdeMO connectors being squeezed out?

Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:16 pm
by webeleafowners
leaf16 wrote:
Sun Apr 19, 2020 3:31 pm
DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Sun Apr 19, 2020 2:03 pm
You can find Chademo to ccs, but not the other way.

Is that because it is technically more difficult to make an adapter from CCS to Chademo
or just not enough of a market to develop and sell it?

This could be a real trip saver with all those EA sites with only 1 Chadmo and multiple CCS chargers.

I bought a TeslaTap --- J1772 addapter for use on the Tesla Destination Chargers found at many Hotels now.
Lets you do your charging while you sleep and start out with a full charge from the Hotel --- works great.
We have one of those Tesla Taps in the leaf. We haven't used it a lot but it has been handy a half dozen times and a life saver once or twice.

Re: CHAdeMO connectors being squeezed out?

Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:34 am
by DougWantsALeaf
The adaptor's (Chademo to CCS) I have seen have been on Alibaba. I don't know of anyone who has bought one yet.

In spite of the banter, if you look through Plug share logs, many Tesla owners enjoy use of Chademo stations, especially in some more rural places.

Actually a Chademo only station (no CCS) just went up in South Dakota. It kind of makes sense as between Tesla, Leaf, Outlander (and a few older EVs) you get the widest group of potential customers.

Re: CHAdeMO connectors being squeezed out?

Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2020 11:43 am
by webeleafowners
DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:34 am
The adaptor's (Chademo to CCS) I have seen have been on Alibaba. I don't know of anyone who has bought one yet.

In spite of the banter, if you look through Plug share logs, many Tesla owners enjoy use of Chademo stations, especially in some more rural places.

Actually a Chademo only station (no CCS) just went up in South Dakota. It kind of makes sense as between Tesla, Leaf, Outlander (and a few older EVs) you get the widest group of potential customers.
Exactly. Looking at the pics of people who update Plugshare. Many are Tesla owners using the adapter. In BC, 4 years ago there were about 21 Chademo/CCS stations and 15 or so Superchargers. Now there are closer to 160 Chademo/CCS stations and maybe 17 or so Superchargers. If you drive a Tesla in this province you are pretty much restricted to the Trans Canada highway. If you have a Chademo adapter you have a significantly bigger area you can cover. We bought our Chademo adapter before we bought the Tesla just because of this.

Re: CHAdeMO connectors being squeezed out?

Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:39 pm
by DougWantsALeaf
This is my crazy talk, but I think Nissan should talk to Tesla about joining the super charger network.

It would give the optics that Tesla is not just a walled garden, and honestly, Leaf owners are some of the best Tesla customers out there. sure, keep the Chademo's at 50-75 kWh, and let them come, charge, and pine for a M3 or a MY. Adding the additional station cord and payment would be trivial for Tesla to accomplish.