eclecticflower
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Re: My first winter in NE w/ my 2012 Leaf

Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:14 am

Thanks, Tony. I just wasn't sure how much power I'd deplete trying to get it warmed up, defrosted, de-iced and struggling through the snow in crawly traffic. I feel better!
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Re: My first winter in NE w/ my 2012 Leaf

Tue Oct 16, 2012 6:54 am

I bought a set of 2002 Altima rims and some used Blizzaks for winter. I'm looking forward to seeing how well this car will go in the snow. :mrgreen:
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Re: My first winter in NE w/ my 2012 Leaf

Tue Oct 16, 2012 6:59 am

OK, I'm used to all-season radials coming standard on my past new-car purchases. Am I back to having to buy snow tires for the LEAF??
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Re: My first winter in NE w/ my 2012 Leaf

Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:10 am

Traded my Subaru (doh) for a Leaf which i really enjoy. But hearing all the talk about lower battery output and possibility of snow (Im in the mid-atlantic region) Im starting to wonder if i need to place the leaf in standby and get a cheap jeep or truck for the snowy days (if we get the storm) I do mosty city 45-50mph driving 33-35miles each way (~68RT) i preheat in the morning and use the bum warmer for my trip if needed. I arrive home with 3-4bars ~25-30miles on the GOM with getting 4.6-4.7 miles per kWh. I think im doing pretty well. Any suggestions? I thought about the spare wheels with blizzaks as well.....
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Re: My first winter in NE w/ my 2012 Leaf

Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:15 am

TonyWilliams wrote:
eclecticflower wrote: My commute is ~8 miles one way (~17 RT), nearly all highway, one minor elevation change (uphill sloping bridge over the Missouri river).... On this short drive, should I worry about range on the home trip in snowy weather? I should have ~8 battery bars, but with limited BEV experience and my first winter, I'm a little concerned.
There isn't any situation that you won't be able to drive 17 miles in the next many, many years. I wouldn't even think about it; just preheat for comfort (not to save power, since you'll have plenty).
I agree with Tony, your commute seems easy even in winter conditions. I think that you will be pleased when you try preheating your LEAF: getting into an already warm car in winter is very pleasant. When at work you can just use Carwings to tell the car when to start preheating or you can set the Climate Control timer to come on at a certain time. You will need to experiment with how long it needs to run; no sense in preheating longer than needed. In moderate cold five to ten minutes ought to be plenty. If the car has been sitting in single digits fifteen minutes might be needed. You will learn what it takes. While at home try preheating while still plugged-in before leaving, using the CC timer.

The LEAF handles in snow quite well, having front wheel drive and a low center of gravity. However, the stock LRR tires are not snow tires, although they did pretty well for me. If you need to drive in snow regularly I'd suggest buying an extra set of rims and snow tires. If you drive in snow infrequently you might get by with cable chains, although they are a nuisance. I don't really have a feel for how often roads in KC are snowpacked. Here in sunny Colorado they get plowed and sanded so quickly that my only problem is getting up my long steep driveway; shoveling 400 feet of gravel driveway takes time.

The LEAF is just about ideal for a short commute like yours.
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Re: My first winter in NE w/ my 2012 Leaf

Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:26 am

eclecticflower wrote:OK, I'm used to all-season radials coming standard on my past new-car purchases. Am I back to having to buy snow tires for the LEAF??
Personal choice. I haven't bought snow tires for my previous vehicles, but I found some good deals on craigslist so I thought I'd try it. Snow tires perform better in snow than all-season tires, but if you wait for plows to take care of the roads before venturing forth, it shouldn't matter too much.

If it works out well, I'll probably replace the OEM Ecopias with summer (performance) tires instead of all-season tires when they wear out.
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Re: My first winter in NE w/ my 2012 Leaf

Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:28 am

When I lived in KC (back in the early 80s), I got through the winters fine with my front wheel drive car and no snow tires. That said, I grew up in New England, driving on snow. Not everyone gets to learn that skill, and when faced with snow very occasionally (as here, in NC), it is not worth trying to drive -- too many of the residents did not learn and the roads are hazardous because of beginners' errors.

If you are experienced with driving in snow in KC, you should be fine with the Leaf.
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Re: My first winter in NE w/ my 2012 Leaf

Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:33 am

mazdaboi wrote:Traded my Subaru (doh) for a Leaf which i really enjoy. But hearing all the talk about lower battery output and possibility of snow (Im in the mid-atlantic region) Im starting to wonder if i need to place the leaf in standby and get a cheap jeep or truck for the snowy days (if we get the storm) I do mosty city 45-50mph driving 33-35miles each way (~68RT) i preheat in the morning and use the bum warmer for my trip if needed. I arrive home with 3-4bars ~25-30miles on the GOM with getting 4.6-4.7 miles per kWh. I think im doing pretty well. Any suggestions? I thought about the spare wheels with blizzaks as well.....
I don't think you can reliably do 68 miles RT in a snowstorm in the LEAF. Unless you have destination charging it just isn't going to work. Even on dry roads on cold days you will be pushing the range a bit. To put it in perspective: I get about 4.9-5.0 miles/kWh on the dash in summer and about 4.0-4.1 miles/kWh in winter. (But I charge in a garage that never goes below freezing, so my battery will hold more charge than those who charge in subfreezing temperatures.) If you had a similar decrease you could still make your commute on dry roads, but pushing through a snowstorm with the heater on? Not likely, unless you have reliable destination charging. I use a Jeep for such conditions, but I also deal with very steep hills so it is a safety issue.
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Re: My first winter in NE w/ my 2012 Leaf

Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:45 am

nlagnew wrote:...Not everyone gets to learn that skill, and when faced with snow very occasionally (as here, in NC), it is not worth trying to drive -- too many of the residents did not learn and the roads are hazardous because of beginners' errors...
The scary time in Colorado is the first storm of the season. It takes time for drivers to realize that they need to slow down now that winter conditions are back. That's for the cities and highways, at least. Where I live there is so little traffic that a few cars sliding off the roads isn't a safety problem.
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eclecticflower
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Re: My first winter in NE w/ my 2012 Leaf

Tue Oct 16, 2012 11:38 am

(dgpcolorado)The LEAF handles in snow quite well, having front wheel drive and a low center of gravity. However, the stock LRR tires are not snow tires, although they did pretty well for me.

(nlagnew) When I lived in KC (back in the early 80s), I got through the winters fine with my front wheel drive car and no snow tires....If you are experienced with driving in snow in KC, you should be fine with the Leaf.


Thanks so much for all the input, everyone! My pre-warming depletion fears have been put to rest. I think I'll also be OK commuting in snow and will give the stock LRR tires a chance before deciding if I need to get snow tires. The 4 front-wheel drive cars I owned prior to the 4WD vehicle (sold to get my LEAF) handled KC snow conditions pretty well (got stuck/towed out of a drift once in my Honda Del Sol :oops: ). I was fortunate to have had real-life, hands-on driver training in high school (don't ask how long ago!), so I'm good with snow driving and have years of experience. The main arteries & highways get cleared quickly here; secondary roads in neighborhoods lag behind (mine's a slightly hilly neighborhood), but I have an alternate flat path out to a main trafficway. IMHO, in extreme weather it's better (and cheaper) to stay home and use a vacation day, than to risk incurring the expense (!) of my insurance deductible in an accident.

Sincerely,
Kathy M.
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