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redLEAF
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Re: Philadelphia and Southeastern PA

Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:04 pm

BobE wrote:My dealer, Lancaster Nissan, said that they are getting a demonstrator this month. Is that the case that all the Nissan dealers will get demonstrators before we get our cars?
almost always with the Tier 2+ dealers; our dealer outside of Chicago had his demo a little over a month or so after ordering opened up in IL ... the earliest delivery reported was about 10 weeks later (late November), of course the IL dealers received 2011 models not 2012 so maybe with the model year changeover it will be reversed. As my dealer had said; it's tougher to sell these w/o a test drive but some new owners attend the Nissan LEAF drive events and that's enough drive time for them to order one --
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tps
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Re: Philadelphia and Southeastern PA

Sat Dec 17, 2011 4:12 pm

The electrician came today to wire up a 240V outlet for the Leviton Evr-Green 160 EVSE. My "Alternative Fueled Vehicle Refueling Property" is "placed into service" 2011/12/17, in time to claim it on my taxes!

BobE
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Re: Philadelphia and Southeastern PA

Sun Dec 18, 2011 4:52 am

Perfect timing! All you need is your Leaf. My assessment is this Thursday.

yeswaydude
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Re: Philadelphia and Southeastern PA

Mon Dec 19, 2011 8:59 am

Claim it on your taxes?!?

Is there something I should be reading to find out about additional tax savings?!? I thought I would just get the $7,500 tax credit for the year I took delivery of the car -- and only if I decide to buy the car and not lease it . . .

UPDATE: Ah, I see form 8911. Does anyone know if this has been extended into 2012, or do I need to get my charger installed before the end of the year in order to get the tax savings?
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Re: Philadelphia and Southeastern PA

Tue Dec 20, 2011 7:09 pm

yeswaydude wrote:Claim it on your taxes?!?

Is there something I should be reading to find out about additional tax savings?!? I thought I would just get the $7,500 tax credit for the year I took delivery of the car -- and only if I decide to buy the car and not lease it . . .

UPDATE: Ah, I see form 8911. Does anyone know if this has been extended into 2012, or do I need to get my charger installed before the end of the year in order to get the tax savings?
From the "What's New" section of the form instructions: "The alternative fuel vehicle refueling property credit is scheduled to expire for non-hydrogen refueling property placed in service after 2011." Better claim it this year!

yeswaydude
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Re: Philadelphia and Southeastern PA

Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:16 pm

I just spoke with and sent an e-mail to Scott Savett of Congressman Jim Gerlach's office in Montgomery County. He didn't know anything about this, but said he would look into it as soon as possible.

I will keep you posted . . .
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yeswaydude
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Re: Philadelphia and Southeastern PA

Thu Dec 22, 2011 7:49 am

I just got a return phone call -- that was quick! And, unfortunately, it was not what we wanted to hear.

The credit has not been extended. He also spoke with someone at the IRS who told him that there is not even any pending legislation to re-introduce the credit.

So, all of us are now going to be competing to get our chargers installed next week!?!
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Most Miles Lately: 76
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Re: Philadelphia and Southeastern PA

Thu Dec 22, 2011 5:13 pm

I did not get my charging station installed but I got my assessment today. Next will be to have it install it. The electrician worked for Quicktricity out of Camp Hill. His company is contracted by Nissan. He told me I was the first home assessment by his company, but his company has installed ev stations at Nissan dealerships in the area. He says all the dealers that have 480 volts available are getting level 3 stations.

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Re: Philadelphia and Southeastern PA

Fri Dec 23, 2011 7:29 pm

I got some additional information:
David,

I just left you a phone message and wanted to follow up via email.

In addition to speaking with my contact at the IRS I placed an inquiry with the Congressional Research Service. Please read their email below. They give a more hopeful picture for the future although the bottom line for now remains the same as the credit will not be extended as of right now.

Please let me know if you have any questions or if I can help you with anything else.



Scott Savett
Office of Congressman Jim Gerlach
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From: xxxxx@crs.loc.gov]
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 12:50 PM
To: Savett, Scott
Subject: Expiration of the Alternative Fuel Vehicle Refueling Tax Credit


Hi Scott,

Section 30C of the Internal Revenue Code (IRC) currently provides taxpayers with a tax credit for alternative fuel vehicle refueling property that is equal to 30% of the cost of the property up to $1,000 for non-business installations (i.e. personal residences). For all refueling property (except hydrogen fuels), this credit is currently scheduled to expire at the end of 2011 along with a variety of other expiring tax provisions. These provisions, including this credit, have been extended before and are often referred to as "tax extenders" and are often extended at the end of each year.

For more information on tax extenders, see http://www.crs.gov/pages/Reports.aspx?P ... c310515311" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

While there have been bills introduced to extend the alternative fuel vehicle refueling credit (for example H.R. 1875 and S. 1220), neither chamber has passed an extension of this tax credit. The final piece of legislation that may be considered and passed this year is the bill which extends the payroll tax cut, the doc-fix and extended unemployment insurance benefits (H.R. 3630). This legislation, even if it was agreed to by the House, does not contain an extension of the alternative fuel vehicle refueling tax credit or other extenders. Hence, passage of an extension of this provision is almost certain not to happen this year.

However, Congress has historically passed extensions of income tax provisions retroactively. In the case of your constituent, if he places in service an electric charging station in 2012, he will be able to claim this credit on his 2012 tax return which he will file in April of 2013. Hence, if Congress extends this tax credit in 2012, he will still be able to claim this provision on his 2012 return which he files in 2013. But given the uncertainty over whether "tax extenders" will be extended, their are no guarantees this provision will be in effect in 2012.

I hope this is helpful. Please feel free to call or email
Best
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xxxxx
Analyst in Public Finance
Government Finance and Taxation Section
Congressional Research Service
So maybe we'll still get our tax credit, but I'm not holding my breath -- I guess this is just part of the price of being an early adopter!?!
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Re: Philadelphia and Southeastern PA

Sat Dec 24, 2011 7:45 am

My dashboard estimated delivery just changed to "week of February 6" from "month of January 2012". I was expecting it to be near the end of January, and maybe it still will be, but beginning of February isn't bad, either. I'll have to start keeping an eye on the 'tracking ships" thread; I'm guessing our LEAFs will be unloaded from the ship at FAPS in Newark, NJ, right next to the airport.

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