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Re: New Paltz, NY requires new businesses to install EVSEs

Thu Jun 11, 2015 6:25 am

Graycenphil wrote:Why do these chargers always take so incredibly long to install? It's not rocket science, is it?

I know a home charger is much simpler, but I installed my own charger in about a day, which included building it. And I'm not a rocket scientist.
Since you built it it is not UL listed. My second guess is you did not get a permit which as a business can be even more difficult. Etc, etc.

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Re: New Paltz, NY requires new businesses to install EVSEs

Thu Jun 11, 2015 6:42 am

Graycenphil wrote:Why do these chargers always take so incredibly long to install? It's not rocket science, is it?

I know a home charger is much simpler, but I installed my own charger in about a day, which included building it. And I'm not a rocket scientist.
I'm sure it has to do with permitting and other processes. I.e. once you get teh approval to do the project, you then have to have digsafe come and mark for any trenching, then someone has to lay out all the conduit etc and leave it visible for the inspector to verify before it gets closed up... then once closed up, electrician comes and finishes his work, then another inspection - and I'm sure there are more steps than this. However, coordinating this is likely not simple. IF a firm were highly motivated I'm sure they could get it done very quickly, but what is their hurry?

This all assumes that the financing is all worked out - private businesses can do it fairly quickly, but if any government money is involved (and generally there is) then you have yet another process to go through. Apply for the 'grant' or whatever, get review, get approval, then start project, then get that final inspection/verification before going live etc....

I suspect those designing these layouts are largely thinking "of the future use" more than the immediate needs of current EV drivers. I.e. not really concerned about rapid roll-out as much as rapid announcement of the vision to encourage the market.
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Re: New Paltz, NY requires new businesses to install EVSEs

Thu Jun 11, 2015 6:57 am

Slow1 wrote:I suspect those designing these layouts are largely thinking "of the future use" more than the immediate needs of current EV drivers. I.e. not really concerned about rapid roll-out as much as rapid announcement of the vision to encourage the market.
To be fair, this is a valid point on their part. Today's EVs are not likely to travel from NYC to Albany and back along the Thruway. However, in a few years when 150 miles is the new 80 miles, Thruway travel will become much more common in an EV.

I have never seen any BEV other than a Tesla on the Thruway, and I have driven it from one end to the other. I do occasionally drive my Leaf on it (I did just yesterday in fact), but even then I'm only on for about 10 miles. If quick chargers appeared, I would gladly take a current-gen Leaf from Syracuse to Rochester and back in a day. But how many people will truly do that? Not many, I suspect. But a Leaf 2.0? You could *almost* make the trip in one charge. A 5-minute QC stop each way is probably all you'd need. I'm guessing a lot more people are willing to do that.

*Substitute Syracuse/Rochester round trip with NYC/Albany one-way, and you get the same story
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Re: New Paltz, NY requires new businesses to install EVSEs

Thu Jun 11, 2015 7:08 am

I realize premitting and inspections take some time. But we're talking months (years?) on some of these installations. And in many cases, the unit is installed, looks ready to go, but still sits there for months.

My EVSE is not inspected or permitted, but I have done projects that needed both. It takes a bit of time and scheduling, but really, just a bit.

Of course my motivation is different, but I would think once a firm has decided they want a charger, they should want to get it done. There's a Big Y supermarket near me that is installing a L3 charger. Good idea - I never shop there, but probably will all the time once they get it running. They've already spent all the money on the unit and the installation, but it's not operational. They're getting no benefit from the money they spent. Do whatever it takes to get it running, and at least they start getting something back on it.

I'm not really complaining. It's very nce that all these folks are installing systems so I can charge my car. I'm mostly just curious.

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Re: New Paltz, NY requires new businesses to install EVSEs

Thu Jun 11, 2015 7:18 am

Graycenphil wrote: Of course my motivation is different, but I would think once a firm has decided they want a charger, they should want to get it done. There's a Big Y supermarket near me that is installing a L3 charger. Good idea - I never shop there, but probably will all the time once they get it running. They've already spent all the money on the unit and the installation, but it's not operational. They're getting no benefit from the money they spent. Do whatever it takes to get it running, and at least they start getting something back on it.
The cynic in me says "they are getting benefit from money spent as they can claim the 'green' vision" and "this way they don't have to pay marginal cost of power". Most folks are not driving an EV - but many of those might appreciate the business 'going green' just the same.

Then again, who really is paying for that install? Did that business actually drive the acquisition or are they just allowing the location to be used as part of another program?
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Re: New Paltz, NY requires new businesses to install EVSEs

Fri Jun 12, 2015 6:14 am

That certainly makes some sense - whover is responsible for getting it done doesn't really care when or if it gets done.

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Re: New Paltz, NY requires new businesses to install EVSEs

Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:10 am

Graycenphil wrote:That certainly makes some sense - whover is responsible for getting it done doesn't really care when or if it gets done.
Or perhaps simply their primary motivation is something other than making the functionality available to EV drivers as soon as possible.
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Re: New Paltz, NY requires new businesses to install EVSEs

Fri Jun 12, 2015 9:17 am

Perhaps, but what might that be?

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Re: New Paltz, NY requires new businesses to install EVSEs

Fri Jun 12, 2015 2:08 pm

Graycenphil wrote:Perhaps, but what might that be?

I don't know what incentives may exist, but perhaps the person pushing the install is the EVSE salesman and once the agreement is signed and they get to a certain point, they have their profits - rebates cashed in etc? IF the install is being done by a corporation perhaps they have agreed to do x installs for some other benefit - financial incentives, or maybe it is part of a larger contract where the installs were added to close the deal and the requirements were lax enough that they just have to break ground...

On the other hand, maybe it is good old fashioned incompetence - process managed by the wrong individuals who can't get a job finished properly.

These things have significant up front capital requirements. Not only does this mean someone has to pony up the money, but someone (or some group of folks) are going to make money off the install. I never rule out the possibility that those involved are more interested in the profits than the success of the enterprise.
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