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Re: Could someone in the Loveland, CO area check out a car for me?

Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:42 pm

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maria0510 wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 12:33 pm
My commute for school is about 60 some miles total, and I know a 2017 Leaf of good condition has about a 100 mile range.
Can you charge at home, school and/or any other places where you will be for many hours at a time? How much of that commute is highway vs. city?

Yep, I would expect the type of range loss that Leftie's talking about in the worst cases (e.g. well below freezing, snow on the ground, having to run the heater and/or defog the whole time). And, over time, the battery will degrade. That started the day the battery was manufactured.

It looks like the OP's talking about https://www.miniofloveland.com/used-Lov ... P2HC309220. There is a Carfax link on the right. It had some sort of frontal damage. Too bad the dealer doesn't know what they're doing and they didn't post any pics of the charging inlets and then mixed in some generic pics that aren't from an S trim later.

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Re: Could someone in the Loveland, CO area check out a car for me?

Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:05 pm

Assuming that the main pic is of the actual car, the lack of "fog" lights indicates that it doesn't have the Charge Package. I'm pretty sure that in 2017 the Leafs all still came with the heated seats and steering wheel, but I'm not 100% certain. Can someone verify that? The OP would not want a Leaf without those in her climate. Also, a Leaf S without the Quick Charge package is worth less than one with it.
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Re: Could someone in the Loveland, CO area check out a car for me?

Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:10 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:05 pm
Assuming that the main pic is of the actual car, the lack of "fog" lights indicates that it doesn't have the Charge Package. I'm pretty sure that in 2017 the Leafs all still came with the heated seats and steering wheel, but I'm not 100% certain. Can someone verify that? The OP would not want a Leaf without those in her climate. Also, a Leaf S without the Quick Charge package is worth less than one with it.
Specs tab of https://usa.nissannews.com/en-US/releas ... -press-kit claims that you can't get fog lights on '17 unless you go SL.

Looks like you can't get heated steering wheel on '17 S either and only the front seats are heated on '17 S and '17 SV.

Agree on the bolded part.

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Re: Could someone in the Loveland, CO area check out a car for me?

Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:29 pm

I was afraid that there were some drawbacks to a '17 S. Thanks for the info on the auxiliary lights, Cwerdna. It didn't occur to me that the heated steering wheel wasn't available at all on the '17 S! Given that, and the reduced range, I suggest that the OP look for an un-optioned '16-17 SV, to get the heated steering wheel and the heat pump. Or maybe a '16 S if it has the 30kwh pack (early 2016 Leaf S cars don't) and preferably the charge package, for faster L-2 charging and the fallback option of a DCFC station. Unless the student in question is fine with just gloves in a chilly cabin...
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Re: Could someone in the Loveland, CO area check out a car for me?

Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:20 pm

For context, https://www.greencarreports.com/news/11 ... gher-price is the '16 "S 30" (107 mile EPA range rating) as opposed to the original '16 S that was only 24 kWh (84 mile EPA range rating). '16 SV and '16 SL were 30 kWh.

Specs tab of https://usa.nissannews.com/en-US/releas ... -press-kit for '16 model years may help.

TSBs at https://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic. ... 96#p566296 can help identify if a '16 S is 24 or 30 kWh.

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Re: Could someone in the Loveland, CO area check out a car for me?

Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:33 am

You can tell the battery from just the VIN, but I'm afraid I don't remember how. Anyone?

With charging at both ends and a 60 mile RT commute, a 24kwh SV or SL with 12 bars would work, although at least L-1 charging would be needed at both ends in cold weather. I can understand the OP's parent's reluctance to go that route, but if the drive is low speed it might not be an issue. Highway or freeway driving for more than a few miles would definitely rule out a 24kwh car. I remind them, in looking for a 30kwh Leaf, that they want one with either a solid 11 or 12 bars with no BMS update ever having been done, or a 9 bar car AFTER the update has been done, so that it will shortly be eligible for a new 40kwh battery under warranty. The former would be the minimum hassle route, the latter would provide a great car eventually, with no range worries with the 40kwh pack, but with a fair amount of effort and hassle likely involved to get there.
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Re: Could someone in the Loveland, CO area check out a car for me?

Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:52 am

LeftieBiker wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:33 am
You can tell the battery from just the VIN, but I'm afraid I don't remember how. Anyone?
See page 19 of https://testing-public.carmd.com/Tsb/Do ... NTB14-059c. I pointed to it at https://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic. ... 96#p566296.

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Re: Could someone in the Loveland, CO area check out a car for me?

Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:09 am

A or B in the 4th character as being a means to tell if a '16 S is 24 or 30 kWh.
Just what we needed. Thanks So A is 24kwh and B is 30kwh, going by the VIN of my 2013.
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Re: Could someone in the Loveland, CO area check out a car for me?

Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:56 am

Thank you all; this is great information.

We missed the frontal damage listed on the Carfax report. This is enough to make us reconsider this particular car, considering the charging hardware is located in the front bumper.
LeftieBiker wrote: ... I remind them, in looking for a 30kwh Leaf, that they want one with either a solid 11 or 12 bars with no BMS update ever having been done, or a 9 bar car AFTER the update has been done, so that it will shortly be eligible for a new 40kwh battery under warranty. The former would be the minimum hassle route, the latter would provide a great car eventually, with no range worries with the 40kwh pack, but with a fair amount of effort and hassle likely involved to get there...
I've yet to fully research the battery replacement warranty. It sounds like you're saying that any Leaf that lists 9 bars after the BMS update will qualify for a whole new 40kwh battery pack, which is also how I read the section in the thread you linked earlier, but I would expect Nissan to put some further limitations on these replacements. Do they really cover all cars, or will it be only for a subset (such as original-owner only) that we need to take care of when car-shopping?

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Re: Could someone in the Loveland, CO area check out a car for me?

Tue Jun 30, 2020 4:55 pm

You need to be at 8 capacity bars before capacity warranty expiration to receive a replacement battery. 30 kWh cars need to have https://insideevs.com/news/338528/updat ... ng-issues/ applied first.

Nissan's warranties are transferable to future/other owners.

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