PrairieLEAF
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Re: Trip report: Denver to Winter Park

Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:36 am

ChS wrote:
Sat Apr 10, 2021 8:10 am
Nice trip report, thanks for sharing.

I seem to be able to drive my car like a "normal" car without much concern with range. I will drive it to summit county this summer and see how that goes. I've enjoyed having an electric car more than I thought I would.
Thanks, and glad to hear about your experience! These mountain trips keep getting easier with the new charging stations going in. There may be two quick chargers between Winter Park and Lake Granby this year. Idaho Springs could probably use one, though. Thank goodness for Beau Jo's (although you just cruise right past it!).
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Re: Trip report: Denver to Winter Park

Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:03 pm

I have a plus so more range than you, I get around the western part of the state OK these days. Grandby is no problem. Delta, Telluride, Ouray etc. Grand Junction. Black canyon. No big deal. Moab no big deal.
New chargers keep making it easier. I used to have to limp some hots with l2 or camp outlets, just a couple destinations left I have to worry about that but not much any more. I suspect a 40kw can get to most of these places as well just the heat buildup problem after 2 or 3 DCFC slowing down charging (I have the same problem I just go farther before I hit it). Less than that I'd have to take a good look at ABRP.

oxothuk
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Re: Trip report: Denver to Winter Park

Fri Jul 09, 2021 10:43 am

Took a day-trip yesterday from Boulder to Glenwood Springs; 360 miles round-trip. Was able to get by with L2 charges during meal stops in Vail and at the Hot Springs Resort in GS. I drove conservatively (55-65mph on I-70). Energy efficiency was 4.9 mi/kwh, as reported by Nissan Connect.

During the trip I kept a close eye on the battery temperature in LeafSpy, and saw a 25 degree rise over the course of the day. This just underlines the observation of many others that the Leaf has limited utility for long trips; no way I could have repeated the trip today without overheating.

Although I completed the trip using L2 chargers, it was something of a nail-biter. I had planned for a QC to top-up before tackling the return trip hills, but I could not get the Chademo station in Vail to activate and the one Chademo port on the EA station in Frisco was out-of-order. Fortunately the coast down from the tunnel to Denver took barely any charge over 50 miles and I got home without any LBW.
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Re: Trip report: Denver to Winter Park

Fri Jul 09, 2021 3:26 pm

What was ambient temp and what was the beginning and ending temp?

In my SV+ I find temps at freeway speeds to find equilibrium around 15-20F above ambient on very long trips. On the 4 hour drive to Bloomington IN at 89F, the car balanced out around 102-103F with AC on (about a 240 mile drive).
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Re: Trip report: Denver to Winter Park

Sat Jul 10, 2021 7:04 am

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Fri Jul 09, 2021 3:26 pm
What was ambient temp and what was the beginning and ending temp?

In my SV+ I find temps at freeway speeds to find equilibrium around 15-20F above ambient on very long trips. On the 4 hour drive to Bloomington IN at 89F, the car balanced out around 102-103F with AC on (about a 240 mile drive).
Ambient was about 80 degrees at the beginning and end, but about 95 at our destination in the mid-afternoon. Not inconsistent with your findings.

Since the trip, it has taken two days for the battery temperature to cool back to normal.
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Re: Trip report: Denver to Winter Park

Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:45 am

I've been thinking about taking my leaf to the in-laws outside of Granby this winter. I have a 9 bar 2017, 30kWh battery. Range says 90+-3 miles when it's fully charged. Your trip sounds like it took 18 kWh. My back of the napkin says my car has 22 kWh. Seems like I would barely make it over to Winter Park (definite range anxiety, and I'm not super range anxious). Maybe I'd make it if I draft a car in front of me. I could stop and L2 charge in Idaho Springs to get me to the CHAdeMO Chargepoint station in Frisco. https://goo.gl/maps/g6gf8RLdkdqSeW4K9 I just need that 4th bar to go away.

I have no range anxiety about the return trip.

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Re: Trip report: Denver to Winter Park

Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:56 am

I have a 9 bar 2017, 30kWh battery. Range says 90+-3 miles when it's fully charged.
That 90 mile estimate will likely turn into an actual range of about 60 miles - especially if you run the heater.
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oxothuk
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Re: Trip report: Denver to Winter Park

Mon Sep 13, 2021 6:57 pm

According to ABRP it will take 24kwh to go from downtown Denver to Winter Park via Berthoud Pass. That’s with a baseline efficiency of 4 miles per kWh. I wouldn’t risk it.

From Idaho Springs it would take about 12 kWh. So a long stop at BeauJo’s is your only practical way to do it.
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Re: Trip report: Denver to Winter Park

Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:15 am

Yeah, I think car swapping with a friend is a better idea. I only need a 3rd car to ferry everyone up there. 15 people total. And on Christmas eve, or Christmas day, Beaujo's is probably not going to be open.

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