AlanSqB
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Re: How much mileage are you getting in this cold weather ?

Wed Oct 01, 2014 4:55 pm

Well, I don't think it was the cold that got me today but the wind. We are having some significant wind today. About 20mph from the north, exactly the direction I was going. Aurora to Fort Collins with a 100% charge usually gets me home with a few miles to spare, but right now my car is parked at the end of my street where it finally turtled out. Ambient is in the upper 40's so if that's the cause of the mileage loss, I'm defiantly going to have to take the ICE on my trips to Denver going forward.
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Re: How much mileage are you getting in this cold weather ?

Wed Oct 01, 2014 5:21 pm

It was the wind, all right.
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Re: How much mileage are you getting in this cold weather ?

Wed Oct 01, 2014 5:33 pm

I have yet to ever duplicate that first trip. NEVER get their with 43 miles left (does the gom "adjust" as you go?? ie adapt?)

I also never get a full charge anymore. I know I have lost around 10% of the battery capacity if I am reading leaf spy right but SOC never goes to 100% every. 90 to 93 percent tops.

why does it stop charging early? why won't it charge to 100% available capacity or am I misreading something?

Here is today's leafspy from the trip to work in EHC

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what do you guys think? seems I need 11.7kw to get to work (light wind 62' no climate control)

I will do it again tomorrow night when I go home to see if there is any change.

seems I have 7.3kw of excess capacity.

What do you guys think my prospects are for a sub 20' drive like this? do I have sufficient excess to make the trip do you think? with and or without heat ? how close would it be?

I have never actually run the car "empty" because it just takes too long to recharge it until I have L2 charging (2 weeks fingers crossed) so I have no idea what its drop dead range is really going to be.

I am also confused by the readings I am getting. it seems the battery depletes faster in the beginning and then stabilizes. for example driving a flat steady 50mph I definitely get over 5m/kw I drove a 5m segment and only lost .9kw

my trip has what I call 2 legs. the start is some stop and go climb over the BBB bridge etc..

I use the jacksonville rt20 intersection as the hand off or about 13.4miles. that segment I used 3.3kw (far lower than 5m/kw) (right at 4m/kw)

the second segment is pretty constant 50mph with only a couple stops (3 or 4 typically sometimes less if I time the lights right get lucky etc..)

that segment is 39.5miles and used 8.4kw for 4.7m/kw

all this as per leafspy readings.

leaf spy says I have 34.5m to 0% for whatever that is worth :-)

the reason I split the trip is I know its different driving types for those 2 basic segments and also in a pinch I think there is an L2 charging station I can use about a half mile down from where I turn off on columbus rd. so if I got "stuck" at work and the weather turns too cold I MIGHT be able to make it to that charging station and just chill for an hour to add another 15 miles to the car to make the last leg home.

any feedback is greatly appreciated. I really wish I could just toss another 5kw battery into the trunk and be done with it :-) this car REALLY needs just a teeny tiny bit more capacity. Just a tiny bit more to be really worry free.

oddly enough I have no concerns for delivery since I will for started soon have L2 charging at work and second I am never more than 7 miles from the store where I can switch to my backup ice if I need too (94 metro xfi)

which I hopefully won't need once I can L2 charge (have had to use it 3 times now all 3 times I could have finished in the leaf but it would have been "close" and I have a rule. don't use it once I get down to 20 miles range just in case so I KNOW I can get the car home no matter what. so I have 1600 miles so far gas free and have had to put maybe 2 gallons into the metro in total :-) not bad at all for L1 charging limits!
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Re: How much mileage are you getting in this cold weather ?

Wed Oct 01, 2014 7:32 pm

AlanSqB wrote:Well, I don't think it was the cold that got me today but the wind. We are having some significant wind today. About 20mph from the north, exactly the direction I was going. Aurora to Fort Collins with a 100% charge usually gets me home with a few miles to spare, but right now my car is parked at the end of my street where it finally turtled out. Ambient is in the upper 40's so if that's the cause of the mileage loss, I'm defiantly going to have to take the ICE on my trips to Denver going forward.
Maybe charge a bit near your destination? That should allow you to still burn electrons instead of petrol.
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Re: How much mileage are you getting in this cold weather ?

Wed Oct 01, 2014 8:36 pm

I would normally have stopped at the QC in Loveland for 5-10 minutes as insurance, but it has been down for weeks. I got my wife to tow me to the house and then ran an extension cord out to the car to use with the trickle charger. It took over two hours to get it charged enough to pull into the garage where the L2 is. There is no way to push this heavy beast uphill. Feels like pushing an suv.

Lesson learned, stay off E-470. Even if it means sitting in traffic.
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Re: How much mileage are you getting in this cold weather ?

Wed Oct 01, 2014 8:48 pm

yeah and holy crap that E470. drove on that down to pueblo when I was there this summer $13.40 freaking dollars. ouch. (just got the bill in the mail)
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AlanSqB
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Re: How much mileage are you getting in this cold weather ?

Thu Oct 02, 2014 3:58 am

Some times I think Denver traffic is so bad on purpose so you have to take the overpriced toll roads. I swear the traffic is worse than any othe metro area I've been to.

Nice how they don't tell you the cost, right? Just lots of signs telling you not to worry, you'll get your bill in the mail. I imagine quite a few people are shocked when it arrives. Especially if you are in a rental and they tack on another surcharge of like $10.
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Re: How much mileage are you getting in this cold weather ?

Thu Oct 02, 2014 7:27 am

AlanSqB wrote:I would normally have stopped at the QC in Loveland for 5-10 minutes as insurance, but it has been down for weeks. I got my wife to tow me to the house and then ran an extension cord out to the car to use with the trickle charger. It took over two hours to get it charged enough to pull into the garage where the L2 is. There is no way to push this heavy beast uphill. Feels like pushing an suv.

Lesson learned, stay off E-470. Even if it means sitting in traffic.
E470 will drain the battery like no other. I live right near it but I will not take it to the airport, I take gun club because it is so much more efficient battery and wallet wise.
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Re: How much mileage are you getting in this cold weather ?

Thu Oct 02, 2014 10:04 am

nerys wrote:I have yet to ever duplicate that first trip. NEVER get their with 43 miles left (does the gom "adjust" as you go?? ie adapt?)
Yes, the GOM varies depending on recent driving. If you are going uphill it thinks you are going uphill forever. If going downhill it thinks you are going downhill forever. If you have been driving at 65 mph for awhile it thinks you will be doing that forever. The GOM is useless and should be ignored. Talking about GOM miles as if they were real just leads to confusion.
I also never get a full charge anymore. I know I have lost around 10% of the battery capacity if I am reading leaf spy right but SOC never goes to 100% every. 90 to 93 percent tops.

why does it stop charging early? why won't it charge to 100% available capacity or am I misreading something?
The LEAF will only allow you to charge to 93-95% of battery capacity and I think that's what LEAF Spy displays: "True State of Charge". That's likely why you don't see 100% on LEAF Spy. [The %SOC meter on newer LEAFs does go to "100%" but that's because it adjusts to always display a full charge that way, regardless of the actual SOC or battery capacity.]

You might get closer to the 95% maximum if the battery is balanced. If you routinely charge to "100%" it is likely that your battery is balanced. If not, that might be why you get a slightly lower figure, although that's just a guess. So, no, your battery seems fine, if somewhat degraded.

Others who use LEAF Spy may be able to give you more detailed information about precisely what it is displaying.
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Re: How much mileage are you getting in this cold weather ?

Mon Oct 27, 2014 7:08 pm

Got my first taste of what cold does to my range today. 53 mile roundtrip commute took 65% of my battery according to the dash today when it normally takes more like 55%. It was 35, windy, and light snow on the way home. Not bad but I still am a little worried about what even colder temps and snow on the ground would do. Battery started the day warm, 6 bars, ended the day with 4.
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