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Re: How much mileage are you getting in this cold weather ?

Fri Jan 03, 2014 1:40 pm

One big difference is the 2013 vs 2011 Leaf. I've got the old energy hog heater, no heated seats, and I've seen some range reduction (haven't lost a bar yet). Last winter I did 65 mi RT (with 3 hr cold soak at the 1/2 way point) at around 20 F, arriving back home below LBW. I blasted the heat for the last 10-15 mi since I had the range estimated correctly. Anything below 10 F is outside my test experience, so I'm hesitant to leave town or exceed 40-50 mi. If I had the new 2013 with cold weather package, it would be another story. Apparently the more efficient heater also improves the pre-heating on L1. Glad it's working out for you guys. I'm still doing fine with my 2011, blasting the 4-5 KW heater on my 8 mi RT commute, so no worries yet here either.

BTW, this graph seems to indicate that 50 mi is attainable at those temps, so yup, you're right:
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/108 ... rom-canada
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Re: How much mileage are you getting in this cold weather ?

Fri Jan 03, 2014 3:18 pm

I use D just to warm the car up, then switch to Eco. I will also set the T-stat to 74 or 73, and use a heated throw, I think. I also drive more slowly. Here's hoping!
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Re: How much mileage are you getting in this cold weather ?

Fri Jan 03, 2014 5:47 pm

14 degrees F today, drove 5 miles and used 10% of my charge.
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Re: How much mileage are you getting in this cold weather ?

Fri Jan 03, 2014 6:40 pm

Today was a high of 4F. I drove 16 miles altogether, using about 50% of my battery. This was spread across 4 trips, with the car cooling off somewhat in between each, and use of the heater while driving (set to 63F). The highest speed was about 55mph. Average was around 40mph. I did have it plugged in at L1 when not driving, charging the battery. The hope was that by charging, I could keep the battery slightly warmer. I have the 2012 with the cold weather package, so heated seats/wheel, but the old 5kW resistance heater.

I don't think I would be comfortable with a 43 mile round trip in my car. Is the 2013 really that much better?
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Re: How much mileage are you getting in this cold weather ?

Fri Jan 03, 2014 9:57 pm

GetOffYourGas wrote:Today was a high of 4F. I drove 16 miles altogether, using about 50% of my battery. This was spread across 4 trips, with the car cooling off somewhat in between each, and use of the heater while driving (set to 63F). The highest speed was about 55mph. Average was around 40mph. I did have it plugged in at L1 when not driving, charging the battery. The hope was that by charging, I could keep the battery slightly warmer. I have the 2012 with the cold weather package, so heated seats/wheel, but the old 5kW resistance heater.

I don't think I would be comfortable with a 43 mile round trip in my car. Is the 2013 really that much better?

Not having experience with earlier leafs, I'm not sure. I left home with 99% charge, because the #@!@ charge timer likes to mess up on Fridays, and charging ended hours before I preheated and left. I started with the heat on 73, but kept lowering it as the car (and I) warmed, ended up at 67. The heated throw helps a lot. I drove at speeds ranging from 30 to 51 (indicated, not actual) MPH. I arrived at work with 54% left. It will be colder on the drive home, but I'm hoping to reduce consumption by starting with the heat on 67F. If it's looking Dicey I'll stop to charge at the dealership for 15 minutes or so. I kept the energy monitor display up, and that ranged from 2.0 M/kwh to about 7.8, usually in the 3.0 range. I didn't reset it before leaving (too cold!) so I can't give an average.
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Re: How much mileage are you getting in this cold weather ?

Sat Jan 04, 2014 5:51 am

And now, the conclusion of my little Serial, entitled "Can a 2013 Leaf SV manage a 43 mile round trip commute in sub-zero weather? The answer is... "Yes, but."

I drove more slowly on the first leg of the trip home, from 30 to 45MPH. I planned on passing the Nissan dealership's EVSE by if I had more than 28% charge when I reached them. Instead, though, at the last minute I made a small side trip to pick up groceries, and that cost me an extra 1% or so. I had just 26% when I arrived at the dealership, so I stopped for a quick partial charge, and found...a Leaf parked at the EVSE, and plugged in. I pulled in next to it, having noticed that no charge LEDs were lit. I wasn't sure in the poor light what generation it was, so I looked in the driver's window to see if the "EVSE Locked" light was lit. Just darkness inside. So I carefully unplugged it, plugged mine in, and sat inside with the stereo on and the heated throw over me, for about 20 minutes, picking up a hair over 12% more charge. The I plugged the other Leaf back in and left.

For a while I was concerned that I'd be in VLBW territory, so I slowed to 40, then to 35MPH, until I was sure I'd be ok. Then back up to 45 until I reached town. I arrived with 18% charge left. So yes, I could have made it without the extra juice, but I would have done it with only about 6% charge left, so I'm glad I stopped.
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Re: How much mileage are you getting in this cold weather ?

Sat Jan 04, 2014 12:36 pm

The recent cold spell here in Connecticut has made my 77 mi RT commute a bit more of a challenge. My 12 SL has over 18k on it so I am sure that there is some battery degradation even though it is showing 12 bars. I normally charge to 80% but now I have to use 100%. to make it back home with a bar or two remaining. I am able to use L1 at destination and preheat before (both) departures. I have figured that I need a minimum of 4 hours of L1 to make it home at all. Only once did I have to divert to my "alternate" with a L2 hookup that is 8 miles before my house.

Use of heat is limited to seats and wheel but having to use the defroster is the real killer.

Here is my bar consumption profile (750 ft alt change)
To From
Spring - Fall 5 6
Winter 6 8

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Re: How much mileage are you getting in this cold weather ?

Sat Jan 04, 2014 5:14 pm

PV2leaf wrote:The recent cold spell here in Connecticut has made my 77 mi RT commute a bit more of a challenge. My 12 SL has over 18k on it so I am sure that there is some battery degradation even though it is showing 12 bars. I normally charge to 80% but now I have to use 100%. to make it back home with a bar or two remaining. I am able to use L1 at destination and preheat before (both) departures. I have figured that I need a minimum of 4 hours of L2 to make it home at all. Only once did I have to divert to my "alternate" with a L2 hookup that is 8 miles before my house.

Use of heat is limited to seats and wheel but having to use the defroster is the real killer.

Here is my bar consumption profile (750 ft alt change)
To From
Spring - Fall 5 6
Winter 6 8

Still like the LEAF despite the need to plan a bit more
My hat/facemask is off to you - I could never drive far without heat, even with the heated seats and wheel. I'd also be worried about being stranded if I had to rely on charging at work. There is actually an L-2 station at a hotel three blocks from work, but despite several map-assisted attempts I have never located it! At least the Nissan dealer I used is right on my way home, about 13 miles from home.
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Re: How much mileage are you getting in this cold weather ?

Sun Jan 05, 2014 11:00 am

Here in North California, It's like winter ended after the early December cold snap (~12F low on 12/7/13).

Sorry to gloat, but I got 92.9 miles to ~VLB on 12/22/13, and 97.9 miles on 12/29/13 (I parked in the garage the night before to dope my battery!) on my last two runs on my regular low-speed, ~6,000 ft ascent/descent, range/capacity test route.

http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... 4&start=30" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

With near-record temps on this route in the fifties and sixties yesterday, I probably could have made my first 100-miles-in-winter quite easily, but had other plans.
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Re: How much mileage are you getting in this cold weather ?

Sun Jan 05, 2014 3:10 pm

Last night I did the same commute in mostly single digit temps, with a few low teens. I did the 43 miles with plenty of juice left, by economizing the same ways I did the night before. The heated throw is addictive as a legwarmer, even with the heat set to 69 or 70. My energy use has been running somewhere near 3.3, as it dropped to there early in the first commute from 3.4, and hasn't moved since.
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