cgaydos
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Leaf Number: 009493025635
Location: Monument, Colorado

Re: Colorado Springs to Denver

Tue Sep 02, 2014 9:24 am

Nfuzzy wrote:My first out of town trip with my 2015 Leaf S, loved it:

Just completed a trip from the north end of the springs (~Interquest) to the Denver Museum of Nature and Science. 120 miles roundtrip. I took 1-25 both ways, keeping around 65-70 most of the way there, though I went as low as 60 up some hills and as fast as 81 coasting down others. Got there with 45% battery remaining! This was in the morning so there was no traffic and no need to run anything other then the vents a bit.

The way back I still kept close to 65 but slowed to 60 a bit more often on the steepest hills. Still got as high as 75 on the flats/downhills though less often. Even ran the AC half the trip and got home with 25% battery remaining. 5.0 mi/kWh there, 3.9 mi/kWh back. No traffic problems either way.
That's pretty impressive and really emphasizes how much more range I'd get if I traded in one of our older LEAFs for a new LEAF - both due to better initial range and no battery degradation.

Getting to Denver isn't a problem as you go down hill a lot - although I am lucky to have 45% remaining at DMNS when driving from Monument. Getting back is mostly uphill I have to hypermile all the way and still am down to 2 bars at the top of Monument Hill. Note that the A/C uses little battery - but the resistance heater in the S model will use a lot. You won't get anything like that range in winter!

Any trouble accessing the charger at DMNS?
Red Leaf: 2012 SL, lease, acquired 21 November 2012
Blue Leaf: 2011 SL, purchase (new, was dealer demo), acquired 4 March 2013

Nfuzzy
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Leaf Number: 06333
Location: Colorado

Re: Colorado Springs to Denver

Tue Sep 02, 2014 7:24 pm

Wait, do the SL/SV have a different heater than the S?

No problem charging at DMNS, though I got there at 8:45 on a Sunday just to be safe. I was the first one there charging. When I left around 1pm there were two other leafs and a Volt on the L2's. There was one L1 open, and the other two L1's were taken by a non-plug in prius and an ICE.

Oh, and I drove in D mode on the freeway, B mode off freeway, non-ECO the whole way. Had 24 miles on the GOM at the top of Monument hill which climbed back to like 35 by the time I got home.

Oh, and can you describe what type of speed and other hypermile tricks you use on the way back? This is a few times a year type of trip for me (and one I wouldn't attempt in winter), but I'm still curious what I have in store a few years from now.

I may try making it to Westminster sometime. Shouldn't be a problem to get there, but will definitely have to charge on the way back.
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AlanSqB
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Leaf Number: 300613
Location: Fort Collins, CO

Re: Colorado Springs to Denver

Tue Sep 02, 2014 8:07 pm

The higher trim levels come with a heat pump http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=12212. The S only has a resistive heater.

Hyper-mailing for me in the Leaf is turning off the cruise and gaining speed on the downhills to cruise back up the uphills. When I'm stretching it, I try to never go over 3 bubbles on the power display.
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cgaydos
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Location: Monument, Colorado

Re: Colorado Springs to Denver

Wed Sep 03, 2014 7:32 am

Nfuzzy wrote:Oh, and I drove in D mode on the freeway, B mode off freeway, non-ECO the whole way. Had 24 miles on the GOM at the top of Monument hill which climbed back to like 35 by the time I got home.

Oh, and can you describe what type of speed and other hypermile tricks you use on the way back? This is a few times a year type of trip for me (and one I wouldn't attempt in winter), but I'm still curious what I have in store a few years from now.
For hypermiling start here:

http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=5508" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

You'll see that ECO mode isn't necessarily more efficient if you are a careful driver. For a non-careful driver ECO mode may be more efficient as it discourages excessive acceleration, but it's debatable just how much the extra regeneration helps.

For Colorado - specifically for the hilly areas between the Springs and Denver - hypermiling places a lot of emphasis on dealing with those hills. In flat areas it's mostly about: keeping the acceleration low; keeping speeds at the limit or, for highways, under approximately 62 mph; and avoiding unnecessary regen so that you use the bare minimum energy needed. The S model doesn't have the navigation feature so it's a little harder. On the SV and SL the nav feature has a screen which shows precise energy used or being regenerated and the goal of hypermiling is to keep the usage line at "0" as much as possible - coasting - or close to 0 with never more than 10-15 kWh of energy expended (I extend that to 20 on steep hills, and higher when traffic demands it). On the S model you have to approximate with the energy bubbles. This means a driving style of gentle acceleration, anticipating well in advance traffic situations such as red lights or slowing traffic and adjusting speed accordingly, and gentle braking.

Throw in hills like on I-25 and it gets more challenging. If you try to keep the acceleration low going up, say, the climb covering the 75 mph stretch to Castle Pines from Ridgegate you'll be in the far right lane (of 4 lanes) and still have people trying to run you off the road. Worse when a 2-lane, 75 mph section is involved, such as moving from the Greenland exit to County Line Road. Often I have to compromise range for safety just to keep up. So alternate routes are advised if possible. The frontage roads south of Castle Rock are great for this, as is the side road from Ridgegate to Castle Pines, where you can usually do 35 mph while doing that 9% grade with no one coming up behind you. Over time you learn to follow the water-level routes like the railroads did. From downtown Denver it is more efficient to take US 85 to Castle Rock than I-25, despite an additional 2 miles, because you avoid the extra 600 foot climb-and-fall at Castle Pines and because the climb in general is gradual. Similarly, taking the side road from Larkspur to Monument via Palmer Lake follows the railway route, except one short, steep climb south of Larkspur, so is more efficient than I-25 despite being 2 miles longer.

It's things like this that really keep the LEAF an early adopter car - most people aren't willing to do this. But it's an option if you want to.
Red Leaf: 2012 SL, lease, acquired 21 November 2012
Blue Leaf: 2011 SL, purchase (new, was dealer demo), acquired 4 March 2013

AlanSqB
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Location: Fort Collins, CO

Re: Colorado Springs to Denver

Wed Sep 03, 2014 12:54 pm

Great routing tips. That is going to really help me out.
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Nfuzzy
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Re: Colorado Springs to Denver

Sun Oct 26, 2014 8:19 am

Did this trip for the second time, though this time ran an errand in town before hitting I25. Stopped overnight at the Denver performing arts center for the charge. About 75 miles one way with 39% charge remaining at the destination. I reset the mi/kwh counter at the top of monument hill for grins and made it the rest of the way at 7.4 mi/kwh doing 65-75 for the most part but there was some stop and go traffic as we got into Denver. This makes me think I can do c springs to boulder nonstop... Hmmm
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AlanSqB
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Re: Colorado Springs to Denver

Sun Oct 26, 2014 8:23 am

Just FYI, the QC at Boulder Nissan is out of service. Apparently they are getting an entirely new unit.

Last time I was there it was still working even though someone had run over the "nozzle". There are multiple good L2 options up there though.
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Nfuzzy
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Re: Colorado Springs to Denver

Sun Oct 26, 2014 11:58 am

Thanks for the tip. I would probably give beau jo's my business; I think it's awesome that they have chargers at all locations. Arapahoe Nissan QC finally looks like it's back up which would help on the return.

Trip home today really accentuated that elevation change. I was down to 60% at castle rock and stopped for 35min at the hospital to get it back to 77%. Took 83 home from there and made it home with 24%. Gorgeous drive this time of year that way.
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AlanSqB
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Re: Colorado Springs to Denver

Sun Oct 26, 2014 2:10 pm

BeauJo's is great and EV and gluten free friendly so I love to give them my money.

If you like sushi, there is a great place called Tasuki. It's about a block south of the L2 at the Rocky Mountain Institute on the west side of the Folsom, just north of Arapahoe. We were taken care of by the owner who is a really nice guy and he makes amazing sushi. Not too expensive either.

The charger at the Rocky Mountain Institute gave us a nice boost at full 6.6 speed while we ate. It's also a fairly short walk to the mall from there. I can't imagine why there is no L2 at the mall, but this one and the ones at Boulder Nissan seem to be closest.
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MikeinDenver
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Joined: Mon Apr 28, 2014 10:40 am
Delivery Date: 03 May 2014
Leaf Number: 413923
Location: Columbus, OH

Re: Colorado Springs to Denver

Sun Oct 26, 2014 2:48 pm

Nfuzzy wrote:Thanks for the tip. I would probably give beau jo's my business; I think it's awesome that they have chargers at all locations. Arapahoe Nissan QC finally looks like it's back up which would help on the return.

Trip home today really accentuated that elevation change. I was down to 60% at castle rock and stopped for 35min at the hospital to get it back to 77%. Took 83 home from there and made it home with 24%. Gorgeous drive this time of year that way.
I like the ones at the hospital but it looks like half(2) are still down and have been for a few months. I take 105 south when I am heading down south after charging at the hospital. Or if I am going straight from my house I take 83.
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