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Re: SoCal LEAF & EV Gathering, Y7 - HTB in SA - 24 Sep 2016

Sun Sep 25, 2016 1:39 pm

Is there any cargo space?
1st Capacity Bar loss 30k mi 16mo
2nd- 49k mi 25.5mo 51.5Ah
3rd- 73k mi 36.5mo 46.9Ah
4th- 86.5k mi 43mo 42.6Ah
5th- 101k mi 50.5mo 38.4Ah, end 36.1Ah
New Battery 9/28/15 104k mi 66.1Ah
1st- 160.5k mi 34mo 54Ah
2nd- 184.4k mi 53mo 49Ah

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Re: SoCal LEAF & EV Gathering, Y7 - GC in CoI - 8 Oct 2016

Thu Sep 29, 2016 11:36 am

Any indication of Bolt's realistic freeway-speed range?
How about the battery pack's technology, cooling, capacity, and life?

Our next Gathering is on Saturday the 8th of October, at the Golden Corral
in the City of Industry. This very good GC borders the south edge of freeway 60,
about 4 miles West of the 57 freeway & 60 freeway interchange, so only about
five miles from AQMD. Although we typically Gather at 8 AM (some come later),
this GC opens at 7:30 for breakfast on the weekends ... for those who just can't wait.

At our last Gathering:
Tony, from San Diego, "won" the show-n-tell award with his JadeMO unit and a
small but nicely done $199 adapter that would allow most L2 J1772 cars to get
AC charging-power from a Tesla HPWC type EVSE unit ... assuming that one
obtains permission from the EVSE owner, of course.
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Re: SoCal LEAF & EV Gathering, Y7 - GC in CoI - 8 Oct 2016

Thu Sep 29, 2016 5:53 pm

Just wanted to mention that my wife and I appreciated the advice and encouragement of some of you in our purchase of a pre-owned 2012 Tesla Model S! It was a trade-in located at the Tesla store in Buena Park. The vehicle turned out to be in beautiful condition and is quite a pleasure to drive. While we had previously considered sticking with a more recent model year, we decided that the lower prices on the older cars (still not really that old) were too attractive to pass up.

Our vehicle came with rear facing seats, which while not perfect given the relative lack of air flow all the way in the rear, are much appreciated for the additional flexibility they give to our family. It's got the 85 kWh battery, which we've considered indispensable for the road trips we hope to take. Its air suspension is helpful for avoiding scrapes when entering and exiting our driveway, and we expect it will be especially handy when driving short distances on dirt roads (such as inside Indian Cove Campground at Joshua Tree National Park). The pano roof is great for headroom, extra light, and a feeling of greater openness. The car also happened to come with the premium audio system, better than anything inside our house and truly a joy to listen to. Although the car has over 73,000 miles, it feels almost new and at less than half its original price, seems like a tremendous value to us. Tesla did a great job of detailing the car, and they even installed new tires.

Also, driving up and down mountain roads like CA-330 is a blast. The power makes it safer when we pass slow vehicles (such as our 2011 LEAF, which we are keeping) and the regen is good enough, even at 75% SoC and presumably above, to enable a 5000' descent at speed without touching the brake pedal.

Hopefully I will stand a better chance of making it to EV gatherings on occasion, now that I have a long range EV to get there!
2011 LEAF at 71K miles, pre-owned 2012 Tesla S 85 at 98K miles
LEAF battery: 9/12 bars and < 49 Ah (-28% vs. new)
Tesla battery: 250+ miles of range (-5% vs. new)

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Re: SoCal LEAF & EV Gathering, Y7 - GC in CoI - 8 Oct 2016

Thu Sep 29, 2016 7:54 pm

To answer a couple questions about GM Bolt:

Luggage space: Yes, I'd say it's similar to a Leaf from year 2013 and later. The space behind the rear seats is about equivalent to a Leaf's in length and width. In terms of depth, it is quite deep and it has no intrusion from any equipment, batteries, Chargers, etc. there is a removable cover that makes the rear floor flat with the rear seats when they're folded (as I recall). Under that cover, there is a fairly deep well for cargo. Underneath that well is another removable cover that holds a styrofoam storage area for the 110 volt EVSE, a tow eyelet and a few other small objects.

As for range at freeway speed, Gary, the best info we have so far is that many journalists obtained about 235 or more miles of range in mixed driving from Monterey to Santa Barbara using Highways 1 and 101 and the Lake Cachuma Road (154, I think) Some of the miles were at full freeway speeds, others were slower, but there were certainly elevation changes in that route.
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Re: SoCal LEAF & EV Gathering, Y7 - GC in CoI - 8 Oct 2016

Fri Sep 30, 2016 7:35 am

ab... Big congratulations on your Tesla acquisition, sounds great.
Perhaps you can bring the family to breakfast at the Golden Corral
in the City of Industry, just South of freeway 60, about 4 miles West
of freeway 57. In any case, we hope to see you soon.

Best Wishes, Gary, Nancy, and Heidi
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Re: SoCal LEAF & EV Gathering, Y7 - GC in CoI - 8 Oct 2016

Fri Sep 30, 2016 7:42 am

It sounds like the Bolt could be a real EV, depending upon the price.
It sounds like the Bolt is much more than just a compliance vehicle.

Yes, the charging support for Tesla vehicles is extraordinary in the industry.
Many seem to say that they would not have bought the Tesla without the SuperChargers.

Until a week from tomorrow ... at the GC ... I wish all health and joy.
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Re: SoCal LEAF & EV Gathering, Y7 - GC in CoI - 8 Oct 2016

Thu Oct 06, 2016 7:09 am

Just 2 days and 51 minutes until our next Gathering, at the GC in City of Industry.
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Re: SoCal LEAF & EV Gathering, Y7 - GC in CoI - 8 Oct 2016

Sat Oct 08, 2016 5:33 am

Hopefully, I will see you all in 2 hours and 27 minutes at the Golden Corral.
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Re: SoCal LEAF & EV Gathering, Y7 - HTB in SA - 24 Sep 2016

Sat Oct 15, 2016 8:45 am

91040 wrote:Is there any cargo space?
Supplementing Boomer's comments:

The battery is mounted under the floor like it should be, so I don't think it impacts the storage.

I believe one reason Boomer was considering switching one of his two Tesla Model 3 orders to the Bolt was that the Bolt is a hatchback like the LEAF while the Model 3 is not.

Gary's comment about it being much more than just a compliance vehicle is true. It will be widely available at many Chevrolet dealers across the US. While it is more than just an existing ICE model with the ICE removed, the reporter said that the Bolt was designed around a common platform used by various GM vehicles. This facilitates its assembly on the same line intermixed with ICE cars.

The battery is passively air-cooled, 60 kWh. No info on battery lifetime.

I am impressed that they can offer this car at about the same price as the original LEAF with over twice the battery capacity, with a curb weight only about 10% more than the LEAF.

As Boomer details, LATimes reporters were able to replicate the announced range with some spare left, driving down the coast without doing special precautions. The aerodynamics are clearly inferior to the Model 3, so there will be a higher penalty for driving at higher speeds.

The Bolt's estimate of remaining SOC is similar to the LEAF's, but perhaps not as bad as the "Guessometer." Hopefully the Model 3 will have the same accurate % of charge prediction, using actual altitude profile to destination, as has been such an important feature of the Model S and X since its introduction in 2014.

Sorry for long delay in replying to your questions.
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Re: SoCal LEAF & EV Gathering, Y7 - HTB in SA - 22 Oct 2016

Sun Oct 16, 2016 6:54 pm

Our next Gathering is a week from yesterday, on October 22nd.
We meet for breakfast at the Hometown Buffet in Santa Ana,
just 2 blocks East of I-5 on 17th Street.
They open for breakfast at 8 AM, at 1008 17th St, Santa Ana, CA 92701.

CU there.
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