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Re: CVRP changes coming Dec 3, 2019

Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2019 4:41 pm
by GRA
jlv wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:42 am
GRA wrote:
Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:35 pm
I'd started a topic with a link to this article on GCC a week or so ago, but a moderator deleted it and a bunch of others on the grounds that such news stories were creating "clutter" on the forum
Just to be clear:
The particular complaint was creating a new thread with nothing more than a single link to an off-site article (no other text was included).
I checked the moderation logs: exactly one (1) thread was deleted, and it happened on Oct 31. The moderator who took this action sent you this message:
Please stop starting threads just to link to other stories. This is becoming spam as discussed before and other users are complaining

Several topics I started on that same day disappeared. If there's a requirement for someone to post some comments of their own in order to post a link to a news topic that may be of interest to others, what is the minimum length for such a comment, as there doesn't seem to be any standard.

As to other users complaining, if they find the articles of no interest, why read them? Is it all that hard to just skip them, as I do with the topics I have no interest in?

Alternatively, as I've pointed out before, if they find anyone's posts to be of no value, then all they have to do to avoid seeing them is "ignore" them, as I know some posters have done with me. So, Let's have some standard as to the definition of "clutter", rather than some arbitrary one that varies from moderator to moderator.

Re: CVRP changes coming Dec 3, 2019

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:54 pm
by GRA
IEVS has a Tom Moloughney article on this, and in it he clarifies that the 35 mile AER is on the UDDS rather than the full 5-cycle test that EPA uses to rate PEVs:
California Reshapes EV Rebate Program; Excludes EVs Over $60,000 ... e-program/

He suggests that 35 miles on the UDDS may equate to perhaps 25 miles on the full EPA test cycle, which is a lot more reasonable, and means that the Prime et al would qualify. We'll have to see how this shakes out once they list those cars that do qualify under the new standard.

Re: CVRP changes coming Dec 3, 2019

Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 5:38 pm
by GRA
Found this list of vehicles which will no longer meet the 35 mile AER and/or $60k price on the CVRP website:
Beginning December 3, 2019, vehicles that no longer meet eligibility requirements as defined here will be removed from the eligible vehicle list.

Below is the list of vehicles that will no longer be eligible for the CVRP rebate beginning with any applications submitted on or after December 3, 2019:

Does not meet minimum 35 mile electric range requirement:

Audi A3 e-tron
BMW 530e iPerformance
BMW 530e xDrive iPerformance
Ford C-MAX Energi
Mistubishi Outlander PHEV
Subaru Crosstrek Hybrid PHEV
Volvo S60 T8
Volvo XC60 T8

Does not have a base Manufacturer Suggested Retail Price (MSRP) of $60,000 or less:

Audi e-tron
Jaguar I-PACE
Karma Revero GT
Tesla Model S
Tesla Model X

Does not meet minimum 35 mile electric range requirement and Does not have a base Manufacturer Suggested Retail Price (MSRP) of $60,000 or less:

Volvo S90 T8
Volvo V60 T8
Volvo XC90 T8

Last eligible model year more than two years old; may still be eligible:

BYD e6
Ford Focus Electric
Hyundai Tuscon Fuel Cell
Mercedes Benz B250e
Mistubishi i-MiEV

I'd guess that most PHEVs with an EPA AER of 25 miles or higher, e.g. the Niro, Kona and Prime, will meet the 35 mile UDDS standard going forward.

Re: CVRP changes coming Dec 3, 2019

Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2021 7:06 pm
by cwerdna ... s-change-0 says
Vehicle Eligibility

Effective April 6, 2021, the AER requirement for eligible Light-Duty Plug-in Hybrid Electric Vehicles (PHEVs) will be increased to 30 miles EPA (45 miles UDDS). All applications received on or after April 6, 2021 will only be eligible for a rebate if the vehicle is on the updated eligible vehicle list at the time of application. The following vehicles are NO LONGER ELIGIBLE beginning April 6, 2021:

• Ford Fusion Energi
• Hyundai Sonata Plug-in Hybrid
• Hyundai Ioniq PHEV
• Kia Niro Plug-in Hybrid
• Kia Optima Plug-in Hybrid
• Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV
• Toyota Prius Prime
I'm guessing that CA sales of the above will plummet.