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Quick Charge L3 in LA, San Bernardino, Riverside Counties

Fri Mar 23, 2012 12:53 pm

Now that the L3 Eaton DC Quick Charge at the San Bernardino 7-11 is operational, this region deserves its own L3 thread.
Discussion of plans for other L3 DC QC installations in LA and SB are welcome here. There are multiple independent reports from reliable folks that another L3 DC QC is coming soon to AQMD in Diamond Bar.

The L3 at Mitsubishi HQ in Cypress, OC has its own thread:
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... 84#p177984

All folks who charge or plan to charge at:
7-11 DC QC
3993 N. Sierra Way
San Bernardino, CA

are invited to post here. Take the H-18 Waterman exit from I-210, drive N. 1.5 miles, turn left onto E. 40th street, and proceed W. .5 miles to the 7-11 on the SE corner of 40th st. and Sierra Way. The unit is unlocked and free for now, and the unit currently has no hardware to support collecting a fee. You might wish to thank Gill inside while you are charging.

Earlier discussion of the long delay in getting this site operational is posted at the following thread, which now can be dedicated to announcements of L2 charging in the same areas.
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... 95#p183295

Here are some photos from the Eaton repair day, Tuesday, March 20. The Eaton engineer in the blue shirt is Donovan Grey, who endured a long series of weather-connected flight delays from NC to Ontario. He left home at 7AM Eastern time and arrived ONT at about 9PM PDT.

After confirming the faults with my Leaf, he captured the fault code history:
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After switching off the unit's dedicated breaker in the meter room, he opened up the unit and replaced a controller board:
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The unit has 5 power drawers, each rated at 10kW.
You can see the surprisingly small input transformers, one per phase.
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The repair required leaving the bottom drawer off-line for a total derated capacity of 40kW. Here you can see my Leaf charging near this rate. It started at about 44% SOC.
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After returning from lunch, we found asharpleaf with his son charging their matched Leafs. They had been alerted by abasile whom I had called.
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LEAF Ocean Blue SL, "100 % Electric" decals, Delivered June 3, 2011
Sold June 2014 27K miles, 18% capacity loss, 1 bar, 5.0 mi/kWh.
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Re: Quick Charge L3 in LA, San Bernardino, Riverside Counti

Fri Mar 23, 2012 8:36 pm

I am toying with the idea of trying this out tomorrow early morning, it is 67 miles for me, from my house to there. Figure even if there is a fault I can make it back to some L2 chargers and watch a movie or something.

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Re: Quick Charge L3 in LA, San Bernardino, Riverside Counti

Fri Mar 23, 2012 9:30 pm

My wife QC'd in San Bernardino yesterday evening, her first time, guided by our older son who had watched tbleakne use the Mitsubishi QC. She started at 24% (according to the Gid-o-meter), went inside for a Slurpee treat for the kids, and the charger stopped at 75% (presumably the car's "80%"). Very nice!

Interestingly, she restarted, and got the SOC up to 85% before the charger stopped again. She restarted one last time, and the charger stopped at 86.4% (per the Gid-o-meter) with the car indicating 12 bars (?). After subsequently shopping in Redlands, she still had 79%, and made it home with 30% (!), ~10% more than I had expected. I'm wondering how accurate the reported gids (units of 80 stored watt-hours) actually were. Perhaps the car actually had closer to 100% upon final completion of the QC.
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Re: Quick Charge L3 in LA, San Bernardino, Riverside Counti

Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:14 pm

abasile wrote:Interestingly, she restarted, and got the SOC up to 85% before the charger stopped again. She restarted one last time, and the charger stopped at 86.4% (per the Gid-o-meter) with the car indicating 12 bars (?). After subsequently shopping in Redlands, she still had 79%, and made it home with 30% (!), ~10% more than I had expected. I'm wondering how accurate the reported gids (units of 80 stored watt-hours) actually were. Perhaps the car actually had closer to 100% upon final completion of the QC.
We had the same thing on my car in Anaheim a few weeks ago. Quick charge stopped at about Gid 86% +/-2%, but the battery was full. I even plugged into 120v, and it wouldn't charge any more. It was full.

Don't get too wrapped around that 80 watt-hour figure. Just remember, Nissan told you the car goes 100 miles. That's not what you'll measure coming back out... closer to 73.

So, Gid count not so good for QC fill ups.

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Re: Quick Charge L3 in LA, San Bernardino, Riverside Counti

Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:42 pm

TonyWilliams wrote:We had the same thing on my car in Anaheim a few weeks ago. Quick charge stopped at about Gid 86% +/-2%, but the battery was full. I even plugged into 120v, and it wouldn't charge any more. It was full.
That's good to know. I still find it interesting that the car indicated a full charge with only ~242 gids. Do you remember the SOC display on the Quick Charger showing a full 100%? (I don't think my wife checked for that.) Perhaps this is another reason to want to look at the SOC as reported by Ingineer's new device in addition to the gid count/%.
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Re: Quick Charge L3 in LA, San Bernardino, Riverside Counti

Sat Mar 24, 2012 12:56 am

abasile wrote:
TonyWilliams wrote:We had the same thing on my car in Anaheim a few weeks ago. Quick charge stopped at about Gid 86% +/-2%, but the battery was full. I even plugged into 120v, and it wouldn't charge any more. It was full.
That's good to know. I still find it interesting that the car indicated a full charge with only ~242 gids. Do you remember the SOC display on the Quick Charger showing a full 100%? (I don't think my wife checked for that.) Perhaps this is another reason to want to look at the SOC as reported by Ingineer's new device in addition to the gid count/%.
Yes, it was the same... I think 244. Gary was watching it. I don't have an SOC meter yet on the LEAFscan, and the reported value by the car to the DC charger that is displayed on the charger? Ya, don't recall exactly, but it was way higher than 86%.

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Re: Quick Charge L3 in LA, San Bernardino, Riverside Counti

Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:15 pm

Successful trip today, I ended up doing 170 miles today which was mainly freeways at 60-65mph in my Leaf. Started From Sunland with 100% charge to San Bernardino where we arrived at exactly the "low battery warning" after 69 miles, I could have gone slower and made it with more charge, but I had a lead foot :mrgreen: then we filled up to 11 of 12 bars with the quick charger, then 71 miles from San Bernardino to Helms Bakery in Los Angeles, where instead of getting the Level 2 charge we were hoping we found a BMW Active-E meet up, from there level 1 at a friends house for several hours then the 29 mile ride home via the 405 freeway.

The quicker charger was nice, thanks for the instructions write up in the cypress DC charger thread. We stopped in the 7-11 and got snacks while we waited. I did find that the quick charger would not charge the car if I had it turned on to see the gauges, it would let me turn the car on during the charge though. I'll post a couple pictures eventually.

Several of these in the LA area could really be a game changer for electric cars!

-Matt
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Re: Quick Charge L3 in LA, San Bernardino, Riverside Counti

Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:41 pm

There seems to be growing evidence that a QC, at least into the higher-third of "fullness", can (at least sometimes) get the car "confused", at least about its GID value.
See SOC/GID-Meter and CAN-Do Info
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Re: Quick Charge L3 in LA, San Bernardino, Riverside Counti

Sun Mar 25, 2012 6:55 pm

It's great to see a functioning DC fast charger in Southern California that doesn't belong to Mitsubishi. :)

In all seriousness, a network of these will do far more for the adoption of the EV than putting 1,000 Level 2 chargers at malls, grocery stores and restaurants in the greater LA, Orange County, Inland Empire area. For people that have been driving cars for years or decades, the idea of a limited range EV is too restricting. The fact that they don't actually drive beyond the useful range of the vehicle is immaterial. The idea that they can "top off" their car in a few minutes is the psychological safety net that they need to even consider making the move to an EV. I am greatly looking forward to the result of the eVgo/NRG Energy settlement with California that will put 200 plus fast chargers in California from San Francisco to San Diego.

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Re: Quick Charge L3 in LA, San Bernardino, Riverside Counti

Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:00 pm

With this government "subsidy" to install these QCs, will this "utility" have almost a monopoly, or at least enough of a strangle-hold to make private competition very difficult?
See SOC/GID-Meter and CAN-Do Info
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