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Re: All EV Rally, BC 2 BC June 29, 2013 !!!!

Wed Jan 02, 2013 9:52 pm

ebill3 wrote:
SSS wrote:My previous long trip (150 miles) was to the El Segundo Plug-In Sunday. I was the guy in the black wheelchair-(my decades old EV). Maybe it's naïveté, perhaps old age, but I've been an avid EV reader over the past 4 years, and carrying all these adapters has missed my in box. Oh sure, I bought Phil's adapter for my EVSEupgrade, but where do I find these others? Are there specific brands, or is this a DIY job that is just assumed knowledge?
These connections in order to make such a trip are new to me, but vital to know to guys like me who plan on EVs for the long run. I imagine some other Leafers may need the same info.
For adapters, look here:http://www.evseadapters.com/

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I had no idea these adapters were available...or needed. Just thinking of a bunch of EVs scattering around Northern California on the rally looking for atypical charging opportunities is cracking me up!
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Re: All EV Rally, BC 2 BC June 29, 2013 !!!!

Wed Jan 09, 2013 3:37 pm

I propose that the drivers along this rally coordinate use of chargers by a group in the Waze application and/or the Twitter account BC2BCbyEV

The Waze group can only be joined in Seattle where it was created, but can be used anywhere with cellular data service thereafter. Twitter can be accessed and updated by SMS as a fallback method.

Besides this, there should be a staggered start where vehicles should be spread out based on average speed and charger type (having all the Tesla's, LEAFs, or MiEVs leave simultaneously is a recipe for conflict at the next compatible charger).

Contention at RV parks and campgrounds is slightly less of a concern, but perhaps we could negotiate a group rate allowing use for a day by all drivers on the rally.

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Re: All EV Rally, BC 2 BC June 29, 2013 !!!!

Wed Jan 09, 2013 3:54 pm

It's hardly a BC2BC rally if we don't start in Vancouver. I've set that as the starting point on this event listing and at least one of us will begin from that point. I'll get in contact with the Vancouver EVA to coordinate their involvement.

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Re: All EV Rally, BC 2 BC June 29, 2013 !!!!

Wed Jan 09, 2013 3:58 pm

leec wrote:Contention at RV parks and campgrounds is slightly less of a concern, but perhaps we could negotiate a group rate allowing use for a day by all drivers on the rally.
That is a great idea!!!

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Re: All EV Rally, BC 2 BC June 29, 2013 !!!!

Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:53 pm

I've taken the liberty of reserving Peace Arch Park in Blaine, Washington. This way, it will be easy for Canadians to come for the send off as they won't technically have to cross the border. There's also a kitchen and indoor seating for 100 people, so any crowd that gathers will have a space to prepare food. There's 200 parking spots in the adjacent lot but you need a $10 day pass to park there (it's the Discovery Pass, which is good for either of two vehicles if you've the $30 yearly version).

They have 50 amp electrical service, too.

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Re: All EV Rally, BC 2 BC June 29, 2013 !!!!

Thu Jan 10, 2013 2:55 am

leec wrote:I've taken the liberty of reserving Peace Arch Park in Blaine, Washington. This way, it will be easy for Canadians to come for the send off as they won't technically have to cross the border. There's also a kitchen and indoor seating for 100 people, so any crowd that gathers will have a space to prepare food. There's 200 parking spots in the adjacent lot but you need a $10 day pass to park there (it's the Discovery Pass, which is good for either of two vehicles if you've the $30 yearly version).

They have 50 amp electrical service, too.

Awesome work and planning. We don't have a handy Peace Arch in San Diego.

How many 50 amp outlets (presumably with 14-50 RV plugs?)?

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Re: All EV Rally, BC 2 BC June 29, 2013 !!!!

Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:18 am

TonyWilliams wrote:How many 50 amp outlets (presumably with 14-50 RV plugs?)?
I'm expecting a callback on Saturday with those details. We'll get our money's worth from EV charging: it's 24.7 miles to the first quick charge but I imagine people will want to start off as close to 100% as possible to minimize pack heating.

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Re: All EV Rally, BC 2 BC June 29, 2013 !!!!

Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:18 am

What plug adapter does one need to build in order to use
Tesla charging stations to charge a LEAF?

Are there two kinds of Tesla charging stations, one AC
and one DC, or are they all higher power AC?
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Re: All EV Rally, BC 2 BC June 29, 2013 !!!!

Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:44 am

garygid wrote:What plug adapter does one need to build in order to use
Tesla charging stations to charge a LEAF?

Are there two kinds of Tesla charging stations, one AC
and one DC, or are they all higher power AC?
Well, there are two different plugs. The Supercharger station plugs are DC quasi SAE Frankenplug communication connectors, and not suitable for a LEAF. Plus, even if you could make it work, I believe it is outright theft to use them for anything other than a Tesla Model S/X, as Tesla outright owns these stations and never intended or offered them for other cars to use. They have no way to collect money at the sites either.

The Clipper Creek units that are out there are for the Roadster. Those are not associated with Tesla at all, and are essentially "public" use. Having said that, expect a full hissy fit if a Roadster driver pulls in for his (free) charge and finds a lowly LEAF blocking "his" spot. Also, Tesla is selling (currently back ordered) a Roadster charging station to Model S adapters to complement their J1772 adaptors. Therefore, you can expect to see Model S or X drivers fighting for those spots, too, at least until the Supercharger network is built out.

For an adaptor for J1772 equipped cars like the LEAF, you need the Tesla Roadster inlet to a J1772 nozzle. Or, you could use the new (but currently back ordered) Roadster to Model S/X adaptor, then cut off the Roadster part and attach it to a J1772 nozzle.

About $600-$800.

Here's some information that Roadster owner Tom Saxton provided concerning a Roadster inlet:

"Here are the part Tesla part numbers I have, with prices from February, 2011."

6000523 : $817 (for the 2008 model)
6003434 : $725 (for the 2010 model)
6001535 : $1,193 (unsure which model)

The 2010 has a 7-foot cable with simple lugs at the end. The 2008 has a
2-foot cable that's terminated in an expensive Amphenol twist-lock connector.

Maybe somebody can identify the correct part from this long list? Or just call Amphenol and ask?

Amphenol ACA-B Series connectors

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Re: All EV Rally, BC 2 BC June 29, 2013 !!!!

Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:11 pm

leec wrote:
TonyWilliams wrote:How many 50 amp outlets (presumably with 14-50 RV plugs?)?
I'm expecting a callback on Saturday with those details. We'll get our money's worth from EV charging: it's 24.7 miles to the first quick charge but I imagine people will want to start off as close to 100% as possible to minimize pack heating.
Ok, awesome work, and a great find to launch. Sounds like a picnic brunch is in order there.

Also, not every car will be able to use CHAdeMO.

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