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Re: Trump is the Greatest/Lousiest Pres. of All Time

Fri Jun 26, 2020 5:21 am

How A President Leads
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5TiyJ7JWRE

Or in Trump's case, doesn't lead.
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Re: Trump is the Greatest/Lousiest Pres. of All Time

Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:42 am

danrjones wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:54 pm
I'm in CA so it really doesn't matter what I do while we are under the EC system as is. Last time the choice was between a crooked politician and a dishonest businessman. I chose a third party. Not sure what I will do this time but I certainly will not be voting for Trump.

What is interesting to me is the polling. Trump is way down in swing states, especially Michigan. He just barely won Michigan last time. Before someone responds that the polls are wrong and rubbish I suggest they visit Nate Silvers site. He grades polls and does a good overall statistical analysis. I am also watching AZ. It would be delightful if Trump lost because he burned the folks in AZ one too many times. McCain was popular there. My own parents are in AZ and Republicans and they have said they will not vote for him.

If nothing else it's interesting to watch the polls.
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Re: Trump is the Greatest/Lousiest Pres. of All Time

Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:52 am

danrjones wrote:
Mon Jun 22, 2020 7:01 am
If you look at the polls, Trump is behind 10 point in Michigan - a state he just BARELY won last time. He is also behind by about 4-5 points in Florida and Arizona. Even if all else remained status quo - Trump would loose. I can see the irony of Trump loosing because he alienated Arizona, at least partially over McCain. McCain was popular in Arizona, including with my own parents, and his feud with McCain - and substantial lack of any promised healthcare plan - has not gone over well. Of course someone can point out that the polls are all wrong, just like last time. Except they were not wrong last time. Nate Silver does a good job on his site weighing and grading the polls, and the results last go round largely fell within the margin of error. Of course things can change in the next 4-5 months, but today, right now, things are looking bad. And if his staff and campaign know that, it certainly could lead to a lack of enthusiasm.
Polls mean nothing. Its all about the last impression. trump beat Clinton because he got in the last impression on voters in key swing states. All but one polling several points in favor of Clinton and she played right into the Russian's hand ignoring Michigan and Wisconsin to campaign in states she had nearly no chance of winning.
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Re: Trump is the Greatest/Lousiest Pres. of All Time

Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:03 pm

I do not buy the fact polls mean nothing. They are snapshots of a certain group in a moment in time. Nate Silver does a good job rating polls and using the aggregates. People forget polls have a margin of error - often 3% or more. Clinton indeed made mistakes but a lot of the polling was within the margin of error.

Right now the polls mean something, even if only for this moment in time. I'm curious to see how they evolve.
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Re: Trump is the Greatest/Lousiest Pres. of All Time

Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:42 pm

It will be...interesting to see what Donnie Dearest comes up with to first sway the elections, and then cancel or negate the results.
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Re: Trump is the Greatest/Lousiest Pres. of All Time

Sat Jun 27, 2020 4:34 pm

A fox poll even had him down a point in Texas. I've heard some rumors he will walk away or quit if a loss becomes inevitable.

What's the vegas odds on that?
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Re: Trump is the Greatest/Lousiest Pres. of All Time

Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:44 pm

We can only hope.
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Re: Trump is the Greatest/Lousiest Pres. of All Time

Sat Jun 27, 2020 7:47 pm

Trump stands by the troops. Just not our troops.

https://youtu.be/kiDkTOKI7Ro
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Re: Trump is the Greatest/Lousiest Pres. of All Time

Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:09 pm

Boilerplate, distasteful attack ad. You don't win votes that way.
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Re: Trump is the Greatest/Lousiest Pres. of All Time

Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:35 pm

What makes those ads effective is that they are coming from republicans.
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