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SULTAN, Wash. -- A 75-year-old Sultan man recounted Friday how a man broke into his house and stabbed him before his 80-year-old wife shot and killed the intruder.

The stabbing victim "told deputies that he was watching TV when he saw an unknown male on his back porch," the Snohomish County Sheriff's Office said in a news release. "He said that the suspect broke down a door to make entry to the home and, when he did, he hit the man (the resident) on the head and began stabbing him.

"The homeowner’s 80-year-old wife said she retrieved a gun and shot the suspect, who was found by arriving deputies collapsed in the doorway of the front room," the news release said. "The homeowners’ adult son was sleeping in another part of the house when the incident occurred."...

The woman called 911 at about 8:30 p.m. from the home in the 13700 block of Woods Lake Road and said "she had shot an intruder after he broke into her home and stabbed her husband," sheriff's office spokeswoman Shari Ireton said.

Detectives believe it was an attempted burglary and that the suspect and homeowners did not know each other, Ireton said.

The 75-year-old stabbing victim was in serious condition in intensive care Friday at Harborview Regional Medical Center, the sheriff's office said.
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Fri Apr 29, 2016 9:35 pm

About 30 to 1, you know. That's not good odds. We could do better... but will we? I'd guess not.

About thirty bad or accidental uses of a gun for every non police self defense. The police do much better, in general, but could be improved as well.

Lets look at today's shootings, shall we?
SAVANNAH (WSAV) – Savannah-Chatham Metropolitan Police Department say Friday morning at an apartment on the 12000 block of Middleground Road a 5 year old boy accidentally shot himself. Police say the boy found the gun in the apartment and pulled the trigger. Police say the boy was grazed by the bullet and received non-life threatening injuries. The child was taken to Memorial Univesity Medical Center, The 5-year-old’s mother and two juvenile siblings also were home during the incident. No additional injuries were reported. Police continue to investigate.
WICHITA, Kan. (KSNW) – One person was seriously injured Friday morning in an accidental shooting in west Wichita.

Wichita police say the incident occurred about 11 a.m. in the parking lot of Davis-Moore Chevrolet in the 8200 block of W. Kellogg.

Police say two employees, a 28-year-old man and a 34-year-old man, were on their lunch break sitting in a vehicle looking a guns owned by the younger man when one of them apparently accidentally discharged. The older man was shot in the leg by the 28-year-old man. He was taken to an area hospital for treatment of his injuries.
Small Child Shot While In Car At Augusta Business
By Randy L. Key Published: April 29, 2016, 3:25 pm Updated: April 29, 2016, 5:10 pm

Augusta, GA (WJBF) – Richmond County Sheriff’s Office investigators are trying to figure out how a young child got shot Friday afternoon at an Augusta business.

Witnesses say a man went inside the business on the 3900 block of Wrightsboro Road, leaving a woman and two children in the car.

One of the children was shot in the leg, in what investigators believe was an accidental shooting.

Investigators do not think the injuries are life-threatening, and we are working to find out whether anybody is being charged with a crime.
PHILADELPHIA (CBS) – Police say a man was shot and killed Friday afternoon in North Philadelphia.

This happened around 2:15 p.m. on the 1400 block of North 4th Street.

Police say the 32-year-old victim was shot twice in the chest. He was pronounced dead at the hospital just before 3 p.m.

No arrests have been made as the investigation continues.
DAYTON —

A man was shot after being robbed outside a Dayton bar early Friday morning.

Dayton police said a couple customers leaving the Ashwood Lounge were robbed by two men in the parking lot. The customers cooperated and gave the robbers what they asked for, were not harmed and then fled the scene.

A moment later, another customer walked out of the bar, located in the 3500 block of North Main Street, and was confronted by the robbers. A scuffle ensued, and the customer was shot in the upper leg and torso area, said Dayton police lieutenant Bill Keller. The victim was taken to the hospital, and his injuries are not believed to be life threatening.

Keller said the case should not be difficult to solve due to witnesses and surveillance video from the business. The two customers who were initially robbed heard the gunfire and returned to the bar, Keller said.

Police are working to obtain the surveillance video from the bar. We will post that video here as soon as we receive it.
An Elizabethtown man who threatened to shoot himself outside a Lancaster County motel was taken into custody following a two-hour standoff with police Friday.

Police responded to the Red Rose Motel, 2346 Market St., Mount Joy, for a report of a person threatening to harm himself at 11:20 a.m.

Upon arrival, officers made contact with Robert Bovell, who was outside, walking around the motel courtyard while holding a gun to his head, police said.

After two hours of negotiating with Bovell, police convinced him to put down the gun. Police then took him to Lancaster General Hospital for an evaluation.
FAIRVIEW (WKRC) - Police are looking for suspects after a man was shot in Fairview Friday afternoon, April 29.

The man was shot on Halstead Street at about 1:30 p.m. The man was taken to the hospital. No word on the extent of his injuries.

Police have not said whether they have any suspects or a motive.
INDIANAPOLIS (WISH) — Two people are dead after a shooting on Friday evening.

The Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department is investigating a shooting that occurred in the 3000 block of East 38th Street, just west of Keystone Avenue. The shooting happened around 8:15 p.m.

Initial information from police indicates it may be a murder-suicide case.

IMPD said a family member went to check on a woman at the house and found the woman and a man dead. Police have said the man and the woman were a couple, but have not stated the exact details of their relationship. Police do believe that it stemmed from a domestic violence dispute.

This would be the second murder-suicide in Indianapolis of the day. Earlier in the day Friday, a suspect in a homicide investigation fatally shot himself.
STAMFORD — Police say two workers in a trailer narrowly missed getting shot when someone opened fire on Atlantic Street in the city’s South end around noon on Friday.

Lt. Diedrich Hohn said six shell casings were found on Atlantic Street near Walter Wheeler Drive after police responded to 911 calls about someone firing shots in the area.

Hohn said one of the bullets pierced a work trailer parked near Atlantic Street with two men inside.

“They were lucky,” he said of the near tragedy.

Police notified area hospitals that a shooting incident took place and to keep an eye out for anyone looking to have a gunshot wound treated. No one was reported to have been wounded by the shots.

At least one window on Atlantic Street was shattered during the gunplay. One witness said the shots were being fired at a royal blue vehicle traveling south on Atlantic Street.

Hohn said there was little witness evidence to go on and police are looking for video cameras in the area in hopes of identifying gunman.
A man was shot in the back Friday afternoon in the Englewood neighborhood on the South Side.

The 29-year-old was standing in the 5600 block of South May about 2:25 p.m. when someone got out of a vehicle and fired shots, according to Chicago Police.

He was shot in the back and was taken in good condition to Mount Sinai Hospital, police said.
A 15-year-old boy and a 23-year-old man were shot Friday afternoon in the East Garfield Park neighborhood on the West Side.

The shooting happened in the 3300 block of West Jackson Boulevard at 1:20 p.m., according to Chicago Police.

The teenager was shot multiple times in the leg and took himself to Stroger Hospital, police said.

The man was also shot in the leg and someone drove him to Rush University Medical Center, then he was transferred to Stroger, police said.

Their conditions weren’t immediately available.
A road rage incident, in the 1900 block of Baldwin Boulevard, ended with a man in jail for shooting a gun at two females in another vehicle.

A 26 year old female called Corpus Christi Police and told them that she was driving west on Baldwin Boulevard when she was cut off by the driver of a Dodge Caravan. The female said that she honked her horn at the vehicle, and a passenger inside the van threw a cup at her car.

The female driver and her 22 year old passenger got upset about the trash being thrown at them and they began to exchange words with the passenger in the van. The driver of the van stopped and got out and pulled out a gun and shot twice in the direction of the two girls.

The female told Officers she stopped her car after hearing the gunshots to let the van pull away from her. The female called police while following the van as it drove around the area.

When the female saw the van pull into the parking lot of the Housing Authority on Ayers Street, she positioned her vehicle to block the one way in and out access to the parking lot. The driver of the van then reversed into the rear corner of the female’s vehicle at a high rate of speed.

The van was only able to get down the street a short distance before police caught up to it.

Officers arrested the driver, Christopher Trevino (12/31/1993). The female that had thrown the trash out of the van had already been dropped off and she was not located.

The two females were not injured.
LEBANON, Tenn. (WKRN) – A 10-year-old boy reportedly found a weapon Friday and accidentally shot himself in the stomach.

It happened at a home in the 300 block of Dandelion Drive in Lebanon. The boy’s 11-year-old old brother called 911 at 4:16 p.m., according to the Lebanon Police Department.

The child was taken to Vanderbilt University Medical Center by ambulance. His condition has yet to be released, but he was alert and responsive when he left the home.

Police said he would have been flown by LifeFlight, but weather conditions interfered. Officials told WKRN the parents were not home at the time of the incident. The father is now there and the mother went to the hospital.

According to Safe Tennessee Project, this is the eighth child in Tennessee this year to be injured or killed by accessing a loaded gun. Police at the scene told WKRN this is not a criminal investigation.
FERGUSON • Police say they are looking for suspects in an apparent drive-by shooting Friday that injured three children and a woman at the home of relatives of young shooting victim Jamyla Bolden.

Police said three people were wounded but LaToyia Olowookere, 36, said she was also one of those hit along with two 9-year-old girls and a 4-year-old boy. She said all of the wounds were from being grazed by bullets.

Police said the shooting happened outside a home in the 400 block of Dade Avenue that belongs to the family of Jamyla, who at 9 years old was shot and killed while doing homework last August.

Olowookere, a family friend who lives nearby, said several people were gathered at the home because of the death of a great-aunt of Jamyla’s. She said she was among about 15 to 20 people in the yard when the gunfire began. Of those, about 10 were children.

“That’s how I got my injury,” she said. “I got up and started grabbing kids and pulling them down.”

She was grazed in the upper chest but declined to be taken to a hospital for treatment.

She said a 9-year-old girl was grazed in the head, another 9-year-old girl in the wrist and a 4-year-old boy in the abdomen.

She said the children were cousins of Jamyla. Jamyla’s brother was among the children who were in the yard but he was not hit, Olowookere said. He had been home in August 2015 when Jamyla was killed and his mother was wounded by gunfire at another residence in Ferguson.

The shooting on Friday happened around 5 p.m., according to Ferguson’s acting police chief, Al Eickhoff.

Two vehicles were driving down Dade and at least one person inside fired multiple shots, Eickhoff said.

“You have a senseless drive-by shooting,” Eickhoff said. “Senseless.”

Police say they do not know who the target was.

Michele Atkins, 33, said she was waiting in a car for her boyfriend nearby when she heard several shots. She said there was a lot of screaming and crying when the shooting happened.

Olowookere said she did not see where the gunfire came from, but she said a neighbor told her that someone had fired as a pickup and a sedan passed the home in opposite directions.

“Everybody’s OK, by the grace of God,” she said afterward. “What do you tell these kids in a situation like this?”
A man was shot Friday afternoon in the South Side Back of the Yards neighborhood.

The 25-year-old was in the 4800 block of South Winchester about 4:15 p.m. when someone walked up and opened fire before running away, according to Chicago Police.

He was shot in the abdomen and taken to Stroger Hospital, where his condition stabilized.

Police said the man is a documented gang member.
A teenage girl was shot Friday afternoon in the Archer Heights neighborhood on the Southwest Side.

She was sitting in a vehicle with a male friend in the 5100 block of South Kolin just before 4 p.m. when shots were fired at the vehicle, according to Chicago Police.

The 15-year-old was shot in the back and showed up at Mount Sinai Hospital, where her condition stabilized.

Police said both the girl and her friend are documented gang members.
Two people were shot multiple times but are expected to survive after separate overnight shootings early Friday morning, Baton Rouge police said.

A police spokesman said officers don’t have suspects in either shooting but both incidents remain under investigation.

A 23-year-old man was shot twice in his leg shortly before 2:26 a.m. while he sat on the front porch of his home in the 5100 block of Sherwood Street just east of North Foster Drive, police said.

Corporal L’Jean McKneely, police spokesman, said the man told officers he heard the gun shots, looked left and saw men who were shooting at him.

McKneely said officers found five shell casing from a handgun in the front yard of the home next door.

He said the man could not identify the shooter and officers have not identified a suspect.

“He doesn’t know nor do we,” McKneely said.

Meanwhile, about an hour and half earlier, a 31-year-old woman was shot four times while on the 11000 block of Red Oak Drive just north of Florida Boulevard, McKneely said.

She was hit once in the shoulder and arm and twice in the mid-section about 1 a.m. Friday and was taken to Our Lady of the Lake Regional Medical Center, McKneely said.

She was rushed into surgery before officers could speak with her, McKneely said.
POINT BREEZE (WPVI) --
One person has been arrested after a man was shot and killed in the Point Breeze section of Philadelphia.

It happened just after 4 p.m. Friday in the area of Wharton Street and Point Breeze Avenue.

Police say the victim was shot in the chest, critically wounding him.

He was taken to Jefferson University Hospital where he died of his injuries.

A second male victim was taken to Penn Presbyterian Medical Center after being shot in the finger. He is listed in stable condition.
The shooting was reported about 10:50 a.m. in the 4100 block of LA 1.

The woman was pronounced dead at the scene. The man, who police are labeling the suspect in the shooting, was airlifted to University Hospital in New Orleans for treatment of a self-inflicted gunshot wound to his head.

The Lafourche Parish Sheriff's Office is investigating the shooting.

The identities of the man and woman weren't released.
RICHMOND, Va. -- Richmond Police have responded to the area of Mass Flow Barber Shop for a shooting.

One person was shot and suffered non-life threatening injuries, police confirmed.

A Richmond Police Department spokesperson said officers were looking for suspects at this time.

The person was shot outside the barber shop, in the parking lot.

Mass Flow is located at 6510 Midlothian Turnpike, near Carnation Street, in South Richmond.

People who work near the barber shop reported seeing police and firetrucks in the area.

Police also said that a dark-colored sedan was seen speeding away from the barbershop and they are examining surveillance footage for any clues.

This is a developing story. Anyone with additional information can submit a news tip or photo here.
INDIANAPOLIS (WISH) — A suspect wanted in a Friday morning homicide investigation fatally shot himself, according to the victim’s family.

Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department officers were searching for Giovanni Bailey, after police say he was wanted for questioning in the shooting death of his wife in the 300 block of North Addison Street in Indianapolis.

Police say 27-year-old Brittany Bailey was killed in the shooting around 9:30 a.m.

IMPD said they responded to the area for reports of shots fired and found Brittany dead in the alley. They learned that a Dodge Charger was seen leaving the scene. The vehicle was believed to belong to the victim’s husband, Giovanni.

Police say the couple was in an heated verbal argument at a gas station in Plainfield before the first shooting occurred. Investigators became concerned, when Brittany’s car was left at the pump unattended. Police in Plainfield called IMPD and asked officers to do a wellness check on Brittany at her address in Indianapolis.

Just after 12 p.m. officers were called to a male subject down in an alleyway near the 400 block of Warman Avenue. Officers say the man was found dead of a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

The suspect’s red Dodge Charger was located a few blocks away.

Police couldn’t confirm if the man who died in the alley way was Giovanni, but family members told 24-Hour News 8 they are sure it’s him.

According to police in Terre Haute, Giovanni Bailey was arrested on April 13 after a police pursuit. Police say the pursuit began near 25th and Poplar streets.

During the chase, speeds reached around 70 miles an hour and the chase ended on Franklin Street between 20th and 21st streets.

WISH-TV’s sister station WTHI spoke with officials at the Vigo County Courthouse who report Giovanni Bailey pleaded guilty on Wednesday to resisting law enforcement and obstruction of justice. He was sentenced to two years of probation.

Giovanni’s sisters say Brittany loved their brother. They did admit that Giovanni showed a pattern of violence toward Brittany, and one sister believes a drug addiction may have altered his state of mind, and led to his abusive behavior.

Shortly before Giovanni’s body was discovered, an apology letter was posted on Brittany’s Facebook page.Family members say Giovanni crafted the one paragraph letter. In it, he apologized to his family, and Brittany’s relatives. He called Brittany, ” My everything.”

“It still don’t take away the hurt, he should of never done that, nothing is worth taking someone’s life, nothing,” said Candice Bailey, Giovanni’s sister.

Just before Candice walked away, she made a simple request.

“We just need prayer right now, it’s a sad day to lose two people in our family in one day.”
Weapons offense, Manhattan Avenue: A Parma boy, 15, was arrested at about 1 a.m. April 18 after he allegedly brandished a .25-caliber pistol at, and threatened to shoot, a Manhattan Avenue man.

The boy then left in a Ford Mustang, driven by an 18-year-old Parma man. Police spotted the car parked outside a Shell gas station at Ridge and Snow roads.

Officers found what they believed was marijuana in the Mustang. Police are still investigating and may recommend additional charges against the man.
CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Cleveland police are investigating after a 26-year-old man was shot in the leg on the city's East Side.

An unidentified gunman opened fire about 6:30 p.m. in the courtyard of a public housing complex on the corner of East 30th Street and Central Avenue, according to a Cleveland police report.

Cleveland EMS took the victim to MetroHealth for treatment.

A witness told investigators he heard a commotion as he sat behind an apartment building, police reported. He walked to the parking lot and saw a man "shooting everywhere."

The witness said he drew his own weapon when he saw the gunman shooting in his direction. The witness fired about five shots, but did not strike the gunman.

The gunman left in a tan 2003 Chevrolet Trailblazer, which an unidentified woman was driving, the report says.

Other witnesses told police a group of women were fighting in the courtyard before the shooting took place.

A neighbor gave detectives a photo of a man the think was the shooter, reports show.

The incident remains under investigation.
LOUISVILLE, KY (WAVE) - A man has died after what police now believe was a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

The shooting was reported at 12:44 a.m. Friday in the 8100 block of La Fon Avenue in Highview.
SYRACUSE, N.Y. -- A man brought himself to the hospital Friday morning after shooting himself in the foot in Syracuse, police say.

A 33-year-old man walked into Upstate University Hospital just after 6 a.m. with a gunshot wound to a toe on his left foot, said Detective George Hack, of the Syracuse Police Department. It appears the man accidentally shot himself, he said.

The injury is considered minor, Hack said.

Although the man claimed the shooting happened in the 200 block of Green Street, Hack said it's unclear whether the incident actually occurred on the North Side street.

"Detectives are still trying to piece everything together," he said. "Still, it does not appear to be criminal in nature."
There are twelve more I found. I'm tired of cutting and pasting. I doubt if you read this far anyway.
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Fri Apr 29, 2016 9:38 pm

All is "well regulated". The best it could possible be. Couldn't be nicer.

I do have one question, however. If owning military arms is a right, then why no machine guns? No mortars? Wire guided antitank missiles to take out the police armor? Surface to air missiles to deal with the government's Black Helicopters?

Oh, do explain.
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Fri Apr 29, 2016 10:04 pm

I believe in the right to own guns.
I also believe ALL should be registered to have a chain of title ownership and required insurance similar to a motor vehicle.
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If there is so much concern about accidental injury or death from Guns, which are very few, why not so much more concern with the over 300,000 people that are killed by doctors and hospitals every year, that works out to be almost 1,000 people every day that are killed by incorrect use of drugs, and other things that should have been avoided. Are you standing outside of your local hospitals with signs demanding the end of these preventable deaths?

A gun is nothing more than a tool. Should we outlaw hammers because someone gets hurt or killed by one? What about power saws? Those are very dangerous for 5 year olds. And do not forget that every kitchen in the world contains the most dangerous of weapons, a knife.
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At least a doctor is required to be licensed and have malpractice insurance.
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Graffi wrote:If there is so much concern about accidental injury or death from Guns, which are very few, why not so much more concern with the over 300,000 people that are killed by doctors and hospitals every year, that works out to be almost 1,000 people every day that are killed by incorrect use of drugs, and other things that should have been avoided. Are you standing outside of your local hospitals with signs demanding the end of these preventable deaths?

A gun is nothing more than a tool. Should we outlaw hammers because someone gets hurt or killed by one? What about power saws? Those are very dangerous for 5 year olds. And do not forget that every kitchen in the world contains the most dangerous of weapons, a knife.
I guess there is also concern about physician malpractice, drug addiction, cancer, the climate etc.

This is a big country, I am sure we can tackle many problems at the same time?

I am sure that all the people who got shot take solace in the fact that people elsewhere die of other preventable causes too.

While there are secondary uses for most tools (like killing people, psycho style), I doubt hammers and power saws are specifically designed for killing people...and not very practical either. Almost all guns (with the exception of hunting rifles) on the other hand have the primary purpose of killing people.

Would you advocate then also ,say, for unregulated distribution and use of hydrogen cyanide...its just a tool, so what could possibly be a problem with people having that at home?

Or nerve agents?
Or anthrax? Its just bacteria...sure you wouldn't let a five year old handle this stuff, but grownups...

I am sure responsible, law abiding citizens would use such "tools" only to protect their families or their own well-being.

So where do you draw the line between "dangerous stuff, that needs to be regulated" and "just tools"?

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klapauzius wrote:
Graffi wrote:If there is so much concern about accidental injury or death from Guns, which are very few, why not so much more concern with the over 300,000 people that are killed by doctors and hospitals every year, that works out to be almost 1,000 people every day that are killed by incorrect use of drugs, and other things that should have been avoided. Are you standing outside of your local hospitals with signs demanding the end of these preventable deaths?

A gun is nothing more than a tool. Should we outlaw hammers because someone gets hurt or killed by one? What about power saws? Those are very dangerous for 5 year olds. And do not forget that every kitchen in the world contains the most dangerous of weapons, a knife.
I guess there is also concern about physician malpractice, drug addiction, cancer, the climate etc.

This is a big country, I am sure we can tackle many problems at the same time?

I am sure that all the people who got shot take solace in the fact that people elsewhere die of other preventable causes too.

While there are secondary uses for most tools (like killing people, psycho style), I doubt hammers and power saws are specifically designed for killing people...and not very practical either. Almost all guns (with the exception of hunting rifles) on the other hand have the primary purpose of killing people.

Would you advocate then also ,say, for unregulated distribution and use of hydrogen cyanide...its just a tool, so what could possibly be a problem with people having that at home?

Or nerve agents?
Or anthrax? Its just bacteria...sure you wouldn't let a five year old handle this stuff, but grownups...

I am sure responsible, law abiding citizens would use such "tools" only to protect their families or their own well-being.

So where do you draw the line between "dangerous stuff, that needs to be regulated" and "just tools"?
If you need a priority, then start with the largest killer, preventable hospital deaths. Next, because I do not drink, lets go back to getting rid of alcohol which kills over 50,000 people every year on the highways. Next we could get rid of cars because they kill so many every year and I could just transition to personal flight vehicle so at least I can still be mobile. Why the fixation on taking guns away from good and law abiding people who are only a danger to those who threaten them? You can outlaw guns so only criminals are the ones with guns. Look at those cities in the US and other countries that have outlawed guns and you see that the danger to the people has become greater. I challenge you to find just one example of a place that outlawed guns where there has been a positive result. Good luck with that because there are none.
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Wow...thought this was the gun discussion thread...not the let me find opinion biased crap off the internet to make guns look like evil machines of death...cause oh yes...your leaf is a weapon...how many people die a day from someone behind the wheel...but I guess if your ill-educated and drinking the tainted kook-aid guns are bad...and we should be like the other gun free countries that have a nasty crime problem...or you can read the second amendment, get educated, and stop giving into the art of fear...

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grandizer52 wrote:Wow...thought this was the gun discussion thread...not the let me find opinion biased crap off the internet to make guns look like evil machines of death...cause oh yes...your leaf is a weapon...how many people die a day from someone behind the wheel...but I guess if your ill-educated and drinking the tainted kook-aid guns are bad...and we should be like the other gun free countries that have a nasty crime problem...or you can read the second amendment, get educated, and stop giving into the art of fear...

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Guns are machines of death. Or sometimes just long distance paper punches. Evil is (or is not) in the hands holding the gun.

Wanting a well regulated militia isn't denying the right to keep and bear arms.
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