johnlocke
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Thu Oct 24, 2019 12:36 pm

Oilpan4 wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2019 9:21 am
johnlocke wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 11:25 pm
The real problem is a lack of level 2 charging for those renting apartments. Far too many rent as opposed to own and they can't charge at home. If you can charge at home, owning an EV is a no-brainer. But if you live in the city, park on the street, or use the apartment's parking space then you need Level 3 fast charging preferably near restaurants and shopping. If you can charge the car while shopping, eating, or getting a manicure, it's all good.
My rentals have L2 charging. It's just L2. Put a L14-30 in an easily accessible area in an RV/camper box. That how I charge my leaf when pulling my trailer and working on the rentals.
As soon as apartment owners figure out that charging stations can be a profit center just like the coin-op laundry and the demand is there, the problem will solve itself. That's probably 5-10 years away. You need a significant number of used BEV's that are cheap enough for lower income people to afford. In the meantime, fast food joints will start installing chargers as a way to lure customers in. Giving away a buck 's worth of electricity is cheaper than a two for one offer or a couple of bucks off a meal. If they can charge you for the power, all the better but even if not it's still cheap advertising targeted at an affluent clientele.
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DaveinOlyWA
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Thu Oct 24, 2019 6:26 pm

Astros wrote:
Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:06 pm
As others have said, I'm not convinced 100kW chargers would have actually sped up our trip. The first charge would certainly be a bit faster, but since the charge taper kicked in even at a 50kW charger I can't imagine you would get long at the maximum rate. Then, if that first 100kW charge session heated the battery more than a 50kW session would have, the second and third sessions would be even slower.
Personally, I would gladly take two 50kW chargers close to decent attractions like a restaurant, grocery store, or park, over a single 100kW charger in a Walmart parking lot. For longer trips like these it's very nice to get out of the car for 20-40 minutes and stretch our legs or get a bite to eat.
Interesting observation; Last night I had a Niro charging at Dupont EVGO station speed 120-121 amps. Wish I'd gotten there sooner but he was at 65% after 29 minutes and charging at 109 amps so already ramping down. Looks like it ramps in steps like the Bolt as it stayed at 109 amps for at least 5 minutes
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craz8
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:52 pm

webeleafowners wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:27 pm
Astros wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:51 pm
webeleafowners wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:37 pm
Meh. Seems like a reasonable trade off. Cost of travelling is not a huge budget line item but there is no way it wasn't cheaper in the leaf. Just sayin.
Oh, it was much cheaper to take the Leaf. Even if we didn't have the no charge to charge program, Webasto offers unlimited charging for $20/month. Since we used two non-free chargers, we spent $16 to drive 950 miles. At current gas prices, a 30mpg car would cost a little over $100 for this trip. I'm happy to spend that on nice food instead :D

And, the Leaf did get us there with time to spare for our 8pm show, so I have no complaints!
And you get to take credit for taking you wife to nicer restaurants...even if it didn't cost you anymore.

It would be interesting to see the trip duration delta if the chargers had been 100 KW units. Our one trip that we make fairly often is exactly 554 kilomters to the hotel (with destination charging. Our halfway point charge stop has a single 50 KW Chademo/CCS station. Petro Can is currently putting in a dual Chademo and Dual CCS in the same town. It should be finished by Christmas. Our Eplus SL arrives in March. Right now with our current leaf (2016 SV) we charge three times. Having said that the 30 KW doesn't take long to charge and doesn't seem to suffer much from multiple charges. Great car.
The hilly part of this route is exactly one I take often, and need the range to get up there with a maximum of 1 stop, and hopefully not too long. We drive from Seattle to Kelowna at least once a year. And those are some big hills! I also tend drive it a littler faster than the posted limit (120kmh for much of the out-of-town parts).

I'm looking forward to the Petro Canada stations. I just saw a screenshot on Reddit of a Leaf charging at 73kW @ 35% SoC at one of the new stations they have installed.

Oilpan4
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:11 am

Anyone know what the Vin code for the 62kwh battery is?
2011 white SL leaf with 2014 batt.
Chargers: Panasonic brick moded for 240v, duosida 16a 240v and a 10kw setec portable CHAdeMO
Location: 88103

cwerdna
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Fri Nov 15, 2019 6:10 am

^^^
Do we really need to know the VIN code?

There's badging on the outside and there should be badging on the CHAdeMO port cover. Click on photos at https://usa.nissannews.com/en-US/releas ... -leaf-plus?#.

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Oilpan4
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:23 am

Searching for a salvage 62kwh car it would be helpful to know.
On a large portion of totaled cars the charging cover is smashed beyond recognition.
2011 white SL leaf with 2014 batt.
Chargers: Panasonic brick moded for 240v, duosida 16a 240v and a 10kw setec portable CHAdeMO
Location: 88103

DougWantsALeaf
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:05 am

Another nice Leaf video. This one in Germany. Slowly the Leaf sales are growing there again.

https://www.tvaktuell.com/mediathek/vid ... -fahrtest/
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Oilpan4
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E Plus Vin identifier

Sun Nov 17, 2019 11:48 am

Found it. The 4th charter of a 62kwh car needs to be a "B" and 40kwh cars are "A".
Just like with 24kwh cars versus 30kwh cars.
2011 white SL leaf with 2014 batt.
Chargers: Panasonic brick moded for 240v, duosida 16a 240v and a 10kw setec portable CHAdeMO
Location: 88103

Oilpan4
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E Plus Vin identifier

Sun Nov 17, 2019 12:23 pm

Found it. The 4th charter of a 62kwh car needs to be a "B" and 40kwh cars are "A".
Just like with 24kwh cars versus 30kwh cars.
2011 white SL leaf with 2014 batt.
Chargers: Panasonic brick moded for 240v, duosida 16a 240v and a 10kw setec portable CHAdeMO
Location: 88103

GerryAZ
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Re: E Plus Vin identifier

Sun Nov 17, 2019 3:04 pm

Oilpan4 wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 12:23 pm
Found it. The 4th charter of a 62kwh car needs to be a "B" and 40kwh cars are "A".
Just like with 24kwh cars versus 30kwh cars.
Yes, you are correct--I looked it up in the service manual and was about to post here. Those who may be considering purchase of a totaled Plus car to use the battery in an earlier model need to be aware that the 62 kWh battery is very different from the earlier ones. The number of cells per module, number of modules, and arrangement of modules are completely different. Therefore, I believe the 62 kWh pack will need to be used with its internal LBC (lithium battery controller or BMS) so some sort of custom interface (such as what Mux is developing) will be needed to adapt the pack to older cars.
Gerry
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