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Re: 135 mile range LEAF? Where did this come from?

Sat Apr 19, 2014 5:20 am

ILETRIC wrote:
palmermd wrote:I'll be purchasing a Model E when its available...but even then I'm expecting to pay about $50k.
Lease it and you won't!
Are they planning on leasing? I thought the best you could do was buy it and they would offer a guaranteed price to buy it back. But is that price less than what you could sell it for on the open market? Anyway, I didn't know they had a lease option.
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Re: 135 mile range LEAF? Where did this come from?

Sat Apr 19, 2014 5:27 am

GRA wrote:For those who experience single digit or colder winters the heat pump's value is a lot less, although it will help the range spring and fall.
That's true isn't it? Have to keep that in mind when I think I really need the heat pump option. In deep cold, it's just as hungry as the resistance heater I have now. Heck, when it gets over forty after a cold spell, I often roll down the window to cool off.
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Re: 135 mile range LEAF? Where did this come from?

Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:14 am

DNAinaGoodWay wrote:
ILETRIC wrote:Lease it and you won't!
Are they planning on leasing? I thought the best you could do was buy it and they would offer a guaranteed price to buy it back. But is that price less than what you could sell it for on the open market? Anyway, I didn't know they had a lease option.
They don't lease, so far as I am aware. Tesla doesn't have an in-house finance arm like most large car companies, e.g. Nissan and NMAC. They do have deals with US Bank and Wells Fargo to finance the cars. But the assumption — likely correct — is that anyone in the market for a Model S will easily qualify for the $7500 federal tax credit and can use that to offset the 10% down payment. Leasing the car and letting the lease company collect the tax credit for use as the down payment, so common with the LEAF, isn't something that Tesla does.

Perhaps that will change in a few years if they really try to make the Model E "affordable". But if the car really does hit the market with the projected range and cost, I would expect demand to exceed supply for some years, leaving little reason for Tesla to go to the trouble of setting up a leasing arm. I guess we'll know more in another three years or so.
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Re: 135 mile range LEAF? Where did this come from?

Mon Apr 21, 2014 5:20 pm

GRA wrote:
evnow wrote:
GRA wrote: I'm thinking of people living in Kansas City, Twin Cities, Detroit, Buffalo etc. and their suburbs, i.e. mainstream urban/suburban America. We have to get past the early adopter crowd in the next generation, if EVs are to prosper. And we need to do it before 2017, because who knows what will happen politically then.
No we don't need to appeal to those people to get to 5% market share.
I'm at a loss as to your reasoning on that. BEVs are sold almost exclusively in major metropolitan markets, because with their limited range and limited infrastructure, those are the places they make the most sense. Consider just the 59 Metropolitan areas with a population greater than 1 million:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_me ... ted_States" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Most of them experience cold winters and/or hot summers. In order to get to 5%, BEVs will have to have enough range that a fair number of customers' will be comfortable with it being their _only_ car in their climate, as well as appealing to suburban owners with longer commutes who have multiple cars. Either is going to take a lot more range than they currently have.

While I think Anton Wahlman is going way overboard on any claims of 'proof' that Nissan will be introducing the car in the topic title, I do think, along with jlsoaz, that he has hit the nail on the head re what owners want for their next BEV.
In some ways, I'd say the BEV that we have known for more than a decade could be made still hasn't been put widely on the market. I'm not sure why trying to discuss the importance (to many but not all) of a 100+ EPA mile range BEV under $45k or so still seems to run into strong criticism or derision even amongst our own teammate BEV advocates, but I guess it's just a matter of pressing on.

I have this sense of some unreality at seeing Nissan continuing to debate the matter. However, perhaps it's better to say that by being clear and laying out what we'd like to buy, we are perhaps playing a role in Nissan's deliberations and helping them come to a better understanding (however painfully long that seems to be taking), so maybe it's just a matter of our continuing to have staying power in being clear and laying out what we'd like to spend money on. I've lasted since GM's Impact announcement in the early 90s, so what's another few quarters?

This came out today, seems worth noting:

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/109 ... nger-range
Nissan Leaf Likely To Offer Larger Battery For Longer Range
BY John Voelcker JOHN VOELCKER
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....He called the idea of a longer-range Leaf the subject of "intense internal debate," with some parties feeling that the 2014 Leaf's rated range of 84 miles was enough for the vast majority of users--and others feeling that more U.S. buyers could be captured with a range in the triple digits.

In the end, Palmer suggested, there could be "two or even three" battery-pack options offered in future Leaf models--"varying by market" where the demand was strongest....
Note that IMO the headline might be optimistic. I'm not sure if-when Nissan will get to the point of announcing a longer-range BEV.
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Re: 135 mile range LEAF? Where did this come from?

Mon Apr 21, 2014 5:25 pm

Tesla does have a lease now for business customers. Somehow the $7500 TC doesn't get applied so it really isn't a good deal.

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Re: 135 mile range LEAF? Where did this come from?

Mon Apr 21, 2014 8:44 pm

Mea culpa. I thought all cars could be leased, including Tesla. I am not going to think Tesla until they have a car I can afford, i.e. Model E and then worry about lease vs. purchase. Since the tech is about to hit Moore's Law warp speed I don't want to get stuck with another Leaf situation, even if the badge says Tesla. So for me for now any BEV is lease only.

While on the Tesla subject: I sat in Model S the other day. Did you know that a 6-footer cannot sit in the back seat w/o hitting the ceiling? Major disappointment. Elon totally blew this one.
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Re: 135 mile range LEAF? Where did this come from?

Tue Apr 22, 2014 8:15 am

ILETRIC wrote:Mea culpa. I thought all cars could be leased, including Tesla. I am not going to think Tesla until they have a car I can afford, i.e. Model E and then worry about lease vs. purchase. Since the tech is about to hit Moore's Law warp speed I don't want to get stuck with another Leaf situation, even if the badge says Tesla. So for me for now any BEV is lease only.

While on the Tesla subject: I sat in Model S the other day. Did you know that a 6-footer cannot sit in the back seat w/o hitting the ceiling? Major disappointment. Elon totally blew this one.
I'm 6' 2" and I fit in the Model S back seat just fine.

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Re: 135 mile range LEAF? Where did this come from?

Tue Apr 22, 2014 8:49 am

likely not until 2016 or even 2017.
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/109 ... nger-range" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: 135 mile range LEAF? Where did this come from?

Tue Apr 22, 2014 9:01 am

That article has so much hyperbole in it, that I have a hard time taking any of it too seriously...
WetEV wrote:
likely not until 2016 or even 2017.
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/109 ... nger-range
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Re: 135 mile range LEAF? Where did this come from?

Tue Apr 22, 2014 10:00 am

jelloslug wrote:
ILETRIC wrote:While on the Tesla subject: I sat in Model S the other day. Did you know that a 6-footer cannot sit in the back seat w/o hitting the ceiling? Major disappointment. Elon totally blew this one.
I'm 6' 2" and I fit in the Model S back seat just fine.
I'm 6' and my head hits the roof unless I slouch. It's better with the panoramic sunroof, but still tight. Not sure why they just don't lower the seat a bit? The LEAF has more headroom than the Model S, but the LEAF pays for that with increased frontal area and worse aerodynamics.

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