GRA wrote: evnow wrote:
GRA wrote: I'm thinking of people living in Kansas City, Twin Cities, Detroit, Buffalo etc. and their suburbs, i.e. mainstream urban/suburban America. We have to get past the early adopter crowd in the next generation, if EVs are to prosper. And we need to do it before 2017, because who knows what will happen politically then.
No we don't need to appeal to those people to get to 5% market share.
I'm at a loss as to your reasoning on that. BEVs are sold almost exclusively in major metropolitan markets, because with their limited range and limited infrastructure, those are the places they make the most sense. Consider just the 59 Metropolitan areas with a population greater than 1 million:
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Most of them experience cold winters and/or hot summers. In order to get to 5%, BEVs will have to have enough range that a fair number of customers' will be comfortable with it being their _only_ car in their climate, as well as appealing to suburban owners with longer commutes who have multiple cars. Either is going to take a lot more range than they currently have.
While I think Anton Wahlman is going way overboard on any claims of 'proof' that Nissan will be introducing the car in the topic title, I do think, along with jlsoaz, that he has hit the nail on the head re what owners want for their next BEV.
In some ways, I'd say the BEV that we have known for more than a decade could be made still hasn't been put widely on the market. I'm not sure why trying to discuss the importance (to many but not all) of a 100+ EPA mile range BEV under $45k or so still seems to run into strong criticism or derision even amongst our own teammate BEV advocates, but I guess it's just a matter of pressing on.
I have this sense of some unreality at seeing Nissan continuing to debate the matter. However, perhaps it's better to say that by being clear and laying out what we'd like to buy, we are perhaps playing a role in Nissan's deliberations and helping them come to a better understanding (however painfully long that seems to be taking), so maybe it's just a matter of our continuing to have staying power in being clear and laying out what we'd like to spend money on. I've lasted since GM's Impact announcement in the early 90s, so what's another few quarters?
This came out today, seems worth noting:
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/109 ... nger-range
Nissan Leaf Likely To Offer Larger Battery For Longer Range
BY John Voelcker JOHN VOELCKER
3,019 views Apr 21, 2014
....He called the idea of a longer-range Leaf the subject of "intense internal debate," with some parties feeling that the 2014 Leaf's rated range of 84 miles was enough for the vast majority of users--and others feeling that more U.S. buyers could be captured with a range in the triple digits.
In the end, Palmer suggested, there could be "two or even three" battery-pack options offered in future Leaf models--"varying by market" where the demand was strongest....
Note that IMO the headline might be optimistic. I'm not sure if-when Nissan will get to the point of announcing a longer-range BEV.