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Re: 2016 Leaf to have up to 180 miles of range!!!

Tue Aug 26, 2014 8:37 pm

So only 50% increase in range :|
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Re: 2016 Leaf to have up to 180 miles of range!!!

Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:54 pm

I find it interesting that most here want EVs to be widely adopted, but balk at the idea of companies delivering models that match the styling the broader market has rewarded time and again with huge sales.

I understand early adopters like to stand out and be noticed for being ahead. But when it comes down to it, the general population prefers cars more akin to what appeals to them, be it EV or ICE powered.

While the Tesla, Leaf and i3 make headlines for being EV only designs, we do need companies to produce EV versions of their popular models. They logically can produce more variety and hit more market potential as each model will have a niche of buyers. MB with the Smart and B has taken existing models and provided EV versions. I think we will see (and need to see) more companies pursuing that model. And it looks like Kia is taking the same approach with the Soul and the Fiat is doing it with the 500e. This will allow more models with much lower R&D investment, which should provide better financial results for the companies and in turn allow more to be produced.

When hybrids first came out, there were hybrid only designs, with the intention of standing out and making a statement. Now you can a hybrid version of many popular models. I see the companies pursuing the same strategy as a good indicator that they are preparing to advance this tech to the mass market rather than just us early adopters.

Looking at the pictures, I like it. I do find the grille to be funny for an EV, but when it comes down to it, people like large grilles. I guess they think it looks more powerful. MB has really pushed the large grille concept lately - I like the look of my new CLA, though the 2 liter 4 cylinder in it clearly hardly uses it. They even put shiny points into it to draw more attention to the grille.
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Re: 2016 Leaf to have up to 180 miles of range!!!

Wed Aug 27, 2014 2:56 am

I think it looks fantastic, kinda looks like my current car - the Lexus 200h.

OK so if if Nissan can deliver a car which looks like this, with the 300km range (or 250km maybe range on some normal cycle, not the "80km/h downhill with max inflated tires" aka NEDC) and if they can deliver it at least 6 months before Tesla Model 3 then it's a no brainer for me. Sold :D

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Re: 2016 Leaf to have up to 180 miles of range!!!

Wed Aug 27, 2014 6:37 am

I call BS on the entire article, with the hope that I'm proven wrong. I actually like the drawings, but they sure don't look like an EV to me (A grill? Really? After all of the airflow testing they did with the LEAF?). I think someone found some Nissan (or maybe even non-Nissan) drawings somewhere and wrote the rest of the "article" around them and the ongoing speculation of a longer-range battery.

I'm from Missouri. Move along folks, nothing to see here...
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Re: 2016 Leaf to have up to 180 miles of range!!!

Wed Aug 27, 2014 7:17 am

Yes, but what appeals (or is acceptable) in a 20K econobox and a 30K+ EV is not the same thing. The drawings - and they are just that, someone's concept - look like many 20K vehicles already out there... People expect more pizzazz as the price point escalates, regardless of the vehicle type...

But I suspect it is all irrelevant anyway as the article is very short on substance and likely based more on rumor than fact. The reality will likely be very different...
DarthPuppy wrote:I understand early adopters like to stand out and be noticed for being ahead. But when it comes down to it, the general population prefers cars more akin to what appeals to them, be it EV or ICE powered.
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Re: 2016 Leaf to have up to 180 miles of range!!!

Wed Aug 27, 2014 7:19 am

Note that this is autoexpress's own drawings. Not Nissan's.

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Re: 2016 Leaf to have up to 180 miles of range!!!

Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:04 am

LKK wrote:I like the look, but why the grill?
Hopefully for a cooling system for the battery.
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Re: 2016 Leaf to have up to 180 miles of range!!!

Wed Aug 27, 2014 9:21 am

DarthPuppy wrote:...Looking at the pictures, I like it. I do find the grille to be funny for an EV, but when it comes down to it, people like large grilles. I guess they think it looks more powerful. MB has really pushed the large grille concept lately - I like the look of my new CLA, though the 2 liter 4 cylinder in it clearly hardly uses it. They even put shiny points into it to draw more attention to the grille.
You're probably right about public tastes. Personally I don't mind a large grille if it is functional, but I hate, hate HATE faux grilles! And it has nothing to do with it being an EV. On my previous car, Mazda RX-8, half of the grille was fake, which I hated from an aesthetic standpoint once I realized there wasn't for airflow. And it was even more tragically stupid because the damned model had overheating issues.
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With the state of the art for batteries, EVs need very good aerodynamics. I'm not sure a fat grille and lots of angles and scoops helps in this regard. And as for AC performance the current iteration LEAF seems to do just fine without a monster grille.

I tend to like smooth curves instead of pinches, creases and angles, whether ICE or EV. I loved the design of my old Miata. I was hoping LEAF II would be more sleek, not less. :(
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Re: 2016 Leaf to have up to 180 miles of range!!!

Wed Aug 27, 2014 11:39 am

AW likens it to the current 'Pulsar' ... quoting the same source as the OP did but they show this image ...

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Sorry, but just can't warm up to it ... way too econobox simple but perhaps that's what the general buying public really wants; in the US 'sedan' still typically outsells any comparable 'hatchback' so surprised they might be staying with another hatchback design; I prefer hatchbacks simply because they typically offer more cargo space but this one would not catch my eye.

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Re: 2016 Leaf to have up to 180 miles of range!!!

Wed Aug 27, 2014 11:41 am

While it is just a concept, I like it a lot.

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