If you mean "the Bolt is also brand new" then note that I'll be leasing when the Bolt has been out for about 9 months, with lots of early Bolt buyers being used as beta testers, and things like software revisions and probably seat modifications having already been implemented by GM. If you mean something else that makes sense, please enlighten us.NavyCuda wrote:Logic fail.LeftieBiker wrote:Frankly, I don't believe that, and actually hope it isn't true. If I decide to order a Leaf 2 without driving one, it will have to use the existing car as the basis for the redesign. If it really is all new, I'll probably lease a Bolt - which by then should be ironed out. Someone else can beta test the all-new Leaf.Also, he mentions that the new Leaf is a completely new design. There is no carryover from the current generation.
Chevrolet VegaNavyCuda wrote: "...It must be pointed out that it is exceptionally rare for their to be a serious defect in the core design of a vehicle. The only one that comes to mind directly is the Pinto."...
It seems like the both the front and falcon wing doors on the Model X are a beta-test on users, at best.NavyCuda wrote:When you accuse companies like Nissan and GM of beta-testing on their end-user you lose credibility with me. Even Tesla only really beta-tests their software with the end user.
Then don't call it Leaf 2, call it Leaf 1.73? If they are calling it 2.0, it will be all new, or nearly so.LeftieBiker wrote:...If the Leaf 2 really is a completely new car (which I doubt) ...
If it is Leaf 2 or 2.0, and it isn't nearly all new, it will be a huge disapointment and deceptive marketing. But you can keep dreaming that the next Leaf will be the old Leaf.LeftieBiker wrote:They are calling it "Leaf 2" rather than "Leaf 2.0" so it isn't at all clear from the name that it's all new. If those camouflaged cars are just test mules, it makes little sense, for a couple of reasons. First, why camouflage them? It would be better to just use whole Leaf 1 cars, which are inconspicuous. After all, you don't need to test drive a new nose and tail. The only reason I can think of is if the new motor and pack won't fit into the existing nose and tail, but that doesn't seem especially likely, either - the new nose doesn't seem appreciably larger than the old, and there is plenty of empty space in the tail of Leaf 1...
Finally, since Nissan is competing on price more than on performance, building a whole new car on the cheap, when the existing car's interior is well liked, also makes little sense. Putting a new nose, tail, and dash on the existing midsection does make a lot of sense. That would let Nissan keep building essentially the same body on the same production lines, with only a few new external pieces, and a few (but important) internal parts changing. That would give them a significant cost advantage.
If you keep putting words in my mouth I'll just filter you. Life is short and trolls are legion. What I'm "dreaming" is that they will use the Leaf 1 passenger compartment and seats, with a much more powerful motor, a full 40kwh pack that is at least cooled when charging, and a nose with headlights that actually work well on both Low and High beams. I think that if Nissan actually builds a whole new Leaf as cheaply as they can, that it will have problems. Those problems will then be inexcusable, because there is no reason for them to build a whole new Leaf.But you can keep dreaming that the next Leaf will be the old Leaf.