Yeah, I don't disagree that it makes financial sense to start with the 40kWh car..jhm614 wrote:Nissan is going to take some grief if they only launch with a 40kWh battery but the price is really the key - they just have to keep the price away from the Bolt. How much lower is the question... But a 150 mile car would certainly work for me.
Agreed! An S with 40 kWh sub-$30K (closer to $25K) could be a huge seller. Add $1K for each of these: QC, SV, SL and you've got a decent improvement over Leaf 1. Include $5K for the 60 kWh option and let the customer decide. When Nissan introduced the lower priced 2013 S, they were caught off-guard by the uptake. Nissan is not competing in the same socioeconomic level as Tesla, where people seem to gravitate to higher kWh batteries. I'm quite happy with my 2011 SL with degraded 50 mi range as a grocery-getter and I'm sure many people would chose the lower priced version over the range. Range above 250 mi and fast charging is most applicable to regional or long-distance travel. Since the "rest of us" charging network is nowhere near Tesla quality, I expect most Leaf 2 purchases to be mostly limited to similar local driving, at least until somebody (apparently not Nissan or GM) get serious and start adding 12-stall DCQCs around the country like Tesla.Joe6pack wrote:It will be interesting if the new Leaf launches with a less than 60 kWh battery. Many other reputable EV sites are reporting that 60 kWh is confirmed. However, it wouldn't surprise me if a more Zoe sized battery is correct. That would put Nissan at the front of the pack of affordable mid-range EVs and thus not competing directly with the Bolt or Model 3 while severely undercutting both in price. This could be a really smart move. The Tesla fanbois will of course declare it a huge mistake, but at the end of the day, sales are what matter. And, I suspect that a new 41 kWh Leaf with a sub-$30K starting price before incentives will sell well.
And existing cost structures too. They have to be on the next generation cost curve to be successful in their space.NavyCuda wrote:Nissan has shown 60kWh prototype batteries, so they have the capability to make them with their existing technology.
If Nissan could make a 60kWh option available for $35 (like 3) or $37.5k (like Bolt) - they would. My guess is they can't.OrientExpress wrote:Nissan has always been about the value of their products (i.e. cheap well-trimmed cars), so I think that it is a pretty safe bet that an under $30K before incentives LEAF/Next with 150-mile range will be in the cards. $30K pricing would translate into an under $20K car after incentives.