NeilBlanchard
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:14 am

jhm614 wrote:5 days to go!

What do we think we know so far?
New front and rear design
Same / very similar mid-body design
At least one two-tone paint option
A weak green paint option
40 kWh base
60 kWh option - but not sure it's available at launch
S, SV, SL price points similar to current prices
ProPilot option - single lane highway driving
ePedal - very strong regen, single pedal driving (is this an option or standard?)
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Things we don't know:
Range
Price for 60 kWh upgrade
Charging Speed
Availability for 60 kWh option
General Availability

What else am I missing? Think we'll get any more leaks between now and Tuesday?
That's a good list. I would add that it certainly looks like the new Leaf will have lower aero drag. And probably, it will have a more powerful motor.

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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:24 am

~4 days till:
New Nissan LEAF World Premier

Live video by Youtube
<Information>

Live Schedule: 1:25 - 2:00(GMT) / 9:25 - 10:00 (JST), September 6 *Subject to Change
*This page is English audio stream (Click here for Japanese audio stream)
http://www.nissan-global.com/EN/NISSANC ... room2.html
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OrientExpress
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Fri Sep 01, 2017 11:11 am

NeilBlanchard wrote:
jhm614 wrote:5 days to go!

What do we think we know so far?
New front and rear design
Same / very similar mid-body design
At least one two-tone paint option
A weak green paint option
40 kWh base
60 kWh option - but not sure it's available at launch
S, SV, SL price points similar to current prices
ProPilot option - single lane highway driving
ePedal - very strong regen, single pedal driving (is this an option or standard?)
--
Things we don't know:
Range
Price for 60 kWh upgrade
Charging Speed
Availability for 60 kWh option
General Availability

What else am I missing? Think we'll get any more leaks between now and Tuesday?
That's a good list. I would add that it certainly looks like the new Leaf will have lower aero drag. And probably, it will have a more powerful motor.
I'll add better interior packaging so more useful room inside. I'd bet that interior trim will be improved, and how about a surprise with the EVSE?
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Fri Sep 01, 2017 11:36 am

Add thermal management to the don't know list?
LTL
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Fri Sep 01, 2017 12:02 pm

LTLFTcomposite wrote:Add thermal management to the don't know list?
I will wager that thermal management will be simply good engineering, chemistry and passive.
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Fri Sep 01, 2017 12:06 pm

OrientExpress wrote:
LTLFTcomposite wrote:Add thermal management to the don't know list?
I will wager that thermal management will be simply good engineering, chemistry and passive.
A big outfit like Nissan probably looks at how much they spent replacing batteries in warm climates vs how much TMS would add to the cost of every car and concludes they're better off without it.
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OrientExpress
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Fri Sep 01, 2017 12:21 pm

LTLFTcomposite wrote: A big outfit like Nissan probably looks at how much they spent replacing batteries in warm climates vs how much TMS would add to the cost of every car and concludes they're better off without it.
If you are still using the 2011/12 LEAF as your reference point, your observation might be valid, but there has been a lot of progress and lessons learned from those early experiences, and my experience with a 2014 car which is completely different from my 2011 car is my reference point, so I tend to believe that the technology is simply better today than it was 7 years ago.

I would also speculate that the proof of this will be if the battery warranty on the new car is better than in past years.
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Fri Sep 01, 2017 12:23 pm

OrientExpress wrote: I would also speculate that the proof of this will be if the battery warranty on the new car is better than in past years.
Battery Warranty! Another good one. That needs to go on the list!
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4BL: 06/29/13 @ 27 months, 43,520 miles, 42.56 Ahr. New 12 bar battery: 09/09/13
4BLx2:12/31/16 @ 69 months, 99,475 miles, 42.99 Ahr.

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OrientExpress
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Fri Sep 01, 2017 12:36 pm

CarPlay and Android Auto
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Delivery April 10 2018

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Ocean Blue
Delivery May 23 2014
50,000+ miles - all 12 bars - Same range as new - No warranty issues ever!

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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far (2018 or later?)

Fri Sep 01, 2017 12:39 pm

OrientExpress wrote:Now they are saying that "customer" production won't start until January.
Wow - everyone on TMC and the internet missed this news. My Model 3 delivery times are same too.

Link ?
1st Leaf : 2/28/2011 to 5/6/2013
2nd Leaf : 5/4/2013 to 3/21/2017
Volt : 3/25/2017 to 5/25/2018
Model 3 : 5/10/2018 to ?

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