While I don't care about the back seat, I am inclined to agree with you about the Model III. However, I'll live with a low roof car that is awkward to enter and exit if it can use the Supercharger network! That's a form of "practical" that is way beyond anything offered by any other EV manufacturer! With a double range LEAF 2, I still wouldn't be able to drive to Denver and back (650 miles and a lot of mountains). Never mind trips to Oregon and back (2200 miles).evnow wrote:I Expect Model 3 to be more sexy and less practical. Even the land barge S has rear seat issues.
BTW, I've to say in terms of ingress/egress Leaf is nearly perfect. It is easy for even my 80 year od mother-in-law.
I suspect many OEMs will have a similar "200" mile vehicle for about $35k, by 2018 or so. There will be some at $40k or more (Model 3, Infiniti, Audi etc). So, what one buys will depend on things other than the range - like looks, space, dealers, deals, lease etcILETRIC wrote:What's it gonna look like? I think we're barking up a wrong tree here... What kind of battery it's going to have is the question we should be concerned with. Because it's the bigger battery at 35 grand that wins THIS competition while the looks will come a far distant second.
+1; I couldn't agree more, DaveDaveinOlyWA wrote:dgpcolorado wrote:I would hate to have to try to get into and out of that car. I found the low roof Volt very awkward to enter and exit and that concept car looks worse. I want practical, not sexy.NeilBlanchard wrote:Another possible look for the Leaf 2 is the Renault Eolab concept car...
However, I expect to be moving over to the Model III when it comes out, so I guess the question of what LEAF 2 looks like is moot for me (unless they make it Supercharger capable, which seems unlikely).
maybe I am just getting old but the LEAF is BY FAR FAR FAR, the easiest car I own to climb in and out of. I don't have trucks or SUVs but all my cars feel like I am climbing out of hole except the LEAF
Sure - but at what cost ? If everything else is equal (manufacturing cost, utility in terms of space, styling to attract a big enough market ...), then obviously better aero is better (duh !). But, when it comes to various compromises that have to be made, it gets tricky to balance competing needs.NeilBlanchard wrote:If an EV has lower aero drag, then the range is increased using a smaller battery. A smaller battery pack, obviously costs less.
As I said earlier, Leaf had to be higher than Prius because of batteries. We don't know how it will work for Leaf 2. My guess is that the new battery is not 2x the volumetric density of the old battery - and as such might need more and not less space than Leaf 1.Also keep in mind that the Tesla Model S has the same CdA as the gen 3 Prius. (See the recent Car&Driver aero test.) Having a lower Cd means you can have a larger car, and still have low drag.
All this means nothing if we don't know the manufacturing cost. That is the reason few concept cars get produced exactly the same way.The Renault Eolab can be scaled to a size that keeps the interior volume of the current Leaf, and it would have 120-140 miles range on the current battery pack; let alone a higher energy density battery a few years from now.
Another data point is the Illuminati Motor Works 'Seven' which has 220+ mile range on a ~33kWh pack. It had about 10% charge left, actually. That car has the lowest energy consumption of any EV I know of: ~130Wh / mile at 60-70MPH. If the Leaf 2 had equal efficiency, it would have ~165 mile range on the current 24kWh pack.
Yes - they should atleast have a perf option.GregH wrote:If Leaf 2 looks anything like those first few photos it really should have something more than an 80kW motor.. just saying.