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When will Nissan announce details of the next-gen Leaf

Sun May 03, 2015 8:50 am

anybody care to make a wager ?? It seems way too late now for a new Leaf as a 2016 model, with the chevy bolt looking like it will be a 2017 model I guess thats what it will be for the leaf, if Chevy gets the bolt out in 2017 and Nissan can't it will be pretty sad. The small price reduction on the new volt proves that a smaller battery can deliver more energy and be reliable, it seems GM has figured out how to solve the degradation issue, probably both by improvements in additive chemistry and climate control of the battery, as the first gen volts have done extremely well with maintaining ev range over thousands of miles, and with frequent use of all of the battery range, as most leafs don't use all of the available range on a routine basis. I keep wondering if Nissan has a rabbit in the hat they are just waiting to pull out or maybe they are just simply slipping ?? don't forget about bmw, maybe a 200 mile I3 for 2017 ??

so my prediction:
nissan leaf - 200 mile range - 2017
chevy bolt - 200 mile range - 2017
bmw i3 - 200 mile range - 2018
tesla model 3 - 200 mile range - late 2018
audi - something 2019
vw - something 200 mile range - 2018

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Re: When will Nissan announce details of the next-gen Leaf

Sun May 03, 2015 9:12 am

Summer we will at least hear more credible rumors and then available 3+ months later. 100 mile range for base model. SL model will have 150 mile range for $4k extra.
In 2017 as a 2018 model we will get the 200+ mile range leaf.
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Re: When will Nissan announce details of the next-gen Leaf

Sun May 03, 2015 9:14 am

I wish my crystal ball was that good...
DanCar wrote:Summer we will at least hear more credible rumors and then available 3+ months later. 100 mile range for base model. SL model will have 150 mile range for $4k extra.
In 2017 as a 2018 model we will get the 200+ mile range leaf.
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Re: When will Nissan announce details of the next-gen Leaf

Sun May 03, 2015 9:42 am

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Re: When will Nissan announce details of the next-gen Leaf

Sun May 03, 2015 9:56 am

DanCar wrote:Summer we will at least hear more credible rumors and then available 3+ months later. 100 mile range for base model. SL model will have 150 mile range for $4k extra.
In 2017 as a 2018 model we will get the 200+ mile range leaf.
having same model car with different battery just seems so unlikely, from a used car pricing/selling point would create a lot of confusion I suspect.....Tesla is doing it, but they are in a class of their own.......

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Re: When will Nissan announce details of the next-gen Leaf

Sun May 03, 2015 10:24 am

http://insideevs.com/longer-range-2016- ... af-coming/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


a good read, but i will believe it when i see it...........

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Re: When will Nissan announce details of the next-gen Leaf

Sun May 03, 2015 11:24 am

TomT wrote:I wish my crystal ball was that good...
DanCar wrote:Summer we will at least hear more credible rumors and then available 3+ months later. 100 mile range for base model. SL model will have 150 mile range for $4k extra.
In 2017 as a 2018 model we will get the 200+ mile range leaf.
InsideEVs guessed that timeline. 100 and 150 mile range estimates are from rumors from January 2014, based on Nissan survey. 200 mile range estimate is from Nissan CEO who said two things:
1) will have equal or better range than Bolt
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/busine ... /21651895/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
2) Range improvements will come in phases.
https://youtu.be/j7u3NxpwR3c?t=1m30s" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: When will Nissan announce details of the next-gen Leaf

Sun May 03, 2015 11:27 am

When Andy Palmer was with Nissan, he never said that a larger battery was a sure thing that they were definitely working on. He said in the article linked below from a year ago that it was being debated internally and some didn't think it was necessary.

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/109 ... nger-range" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Right away, the rumors started about a new LEAF with a larger battery pack. But he never really said it was being done, just being considered...

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Re: When will Nissan announce details of the next-gen Leaf

Sun May 03, 2015 11:32 am

There wouldn't be much advantage in announcing very early, since it would cannibalize sales of the current model (as is happening with the Chevy Volt). I'll guess 2017 MY, announced in spring of next year.

I don't think the Bolt is a driver of Nissan's plans. That car is still vaporware at this point IMO.
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Re: When will Nissan announce details of the next-gen Leaf

Sun May 03, 2015 3:21 pm

arkansasleaf wrote:anybody care to make a wager ?? It seems way too late now for a new Leaf as a 2016 model, with the chevy bolt looking like it will be a 2017 model I guess thats what it will be for the leaf, if Chevy gets the bolt out in 2017 and Nissan can't it will be pretty sad. The small price reduction on the new volt proves that a smaller battery can deliver more energy and be reliable, it seems GM has figured out how to solve the degradation issue, probably both by improvements in additive chemistry and climate control of the battery, as the first gen volts have done extremely well with maintaining ev range over thousands of miles, and with frequent use of all of the battery range, as most leafs don't use all of the available range on a routine basis. I keep wondering if Nissan has a rabbit in the hat they are just waiting to pull out or maybe they are just simply slipping ?? don't forget about bmw, maybe a 200 mile I3 for 2017 ??

so my prediction:
nissan leaf - 200 mile range - 2017
chevy bolt - 200 mile range - 2017
bmw i3 - 200 mile range - 2018
tesla model 3 - 200 mile range - late 2018
audi - something 2019
vw - something 200 mile range - 2018

Nissan Leaf - 200 mile range (1xx real world) - 2017
chevy bolt - 200 mile range (1xx real world) - 2017
Tesla model 3 - 250 mile range (2xx real world) - 2017

I guarantee you that the Model 3 will have more range than the Leaf or Bolt by the fudge factor between Japanese/California cycles vs real world driving. Think 20 to 25% more range.

I also expect it will come out sooner than your estimate. I'd leave room for it taking orders in 2016 sight unseen (like they are doing now for Model X) and deliveries in 2017.
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