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Re: When will Nissan announce details of the next-gen Leaf

Thu May 07, 2015 8:05 am

tkdbrusco wrote: "...that allows them to move a lot of lease returns currently on the lots.
Few dealers buy auction cars that are off lease nor are they sent to dealer lots, these cars picked up by Nissan NA and are auctioned and the majority are sent overseas with large numbers going to places like Norway. The used LEAFs on dealer lots are usually trade in cars.

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Re: When will Nissan announce details of the next-gen Leaf

Thu May 07, 2015 8:10 am

In order to capture more of the EV market Nissan also needs to have a higher power motor option with the higher range model. This gives an option to the buyer that also wants the benefit of an EV drive and not just 0-60 in 10 seconds. I expect they will need to do this as many EVs will feature a much more powerful or standard motor option going forward.

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Re: When will Nissan announce details of the next-gen Leaf

Thu May 07, 2015 8:45 am

dhanson865 wrote:Tesla confirmed again in the latest earnings call that Model 3 is coming 2nd half 2017.
No they didn't. They said late Q3, which means October, except for a few cars. And if you think a few cars is a few thousand then 2016 is more realistic.
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Re: When will Nissan announce details of the next-gen Leaf

Thu May 07, 2015 9:07 am

DanCar wrote:
dhanson865 wrote:Tesla confirmed again in the latest earnings call that Model 3 is coming 2nd half 2017.
No they didn't. They said late Q3, which means October, except for a few cars. And if you think a few cars is a few thousand then 2016 is more realistic.
Ummm... did you read "Model 3" as "Model X"?
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Re: When will Nissan announce details of the next-gen Leaf

Thu May 07, 2015 9:41 am

ishiyakazuo wrote:Ummm... did you read "Model 3" as "Model X"?
Probably. Model X should be available in 2015. Model 3, late 2017 or early 2018. http://www.theverge.com/2015/5/6/856212 ... march-2016 When means I suppose that Nissan need not disclose anything about the next Leaf until the Chevy Bolt goes on sale. http://www.greencarreports.com/news/109 ... et-bolt-ev

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Re: When will Nissan announce details of the next-gen Leaf

Thu May 07, 2015 10:18 am

DanCar wrote:
dhanson865 wrote:Tesla confirmed again in the latest earnings call that Model 3 is coming 2nd half 2017.
No they didn't. They said late Q3, which means October, except for a few cars. And if you think a few cars is a few thousand then 2016 is more realistic.
Model 3 vs Model X and 2015 vs 2016 vs 2017.

Model X design reveal sometime in 2015
Model X shows up in design center (online store) in July 2015
Model X gets built in Q3/Q4 2015 and delivered to some in 2015 and some in 2016

Model 3 design reveal March 2016
Model 3 production late 2017
Model 3 deliveries expected soon after production late 2017.

I know Tesla has been bad at meeting schedules in the past but this is going to march right along, something might slide a week or two across a quarter boundary but these things are going to happen relatively fast on the global time scale.
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Thu May 07, 2015 10:56 am

ishiyakazuo wrote:
DanCar wrote:
dhanson865 wrote:Tesla confirmed again in the latest earnings call that Model 3 is coming 2nd half 2017.
No they didn't. They said late Q3, which means October, except for a few cars. And if you think a few cars is a few thousand then 2016 is more realistic.
Ummm... did you read "Model 3" as "Model X"?
Oops, you're right, my bad. Thanks for pointing that out.
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Re: When will Nissan announce details of the next-gen Leaf

Thu May 07, 2015 4:11 pm

Nissan hasn't even released details of the new 2016 Altima due in a few months. Next gen LEAF details will probably not be released until very close to release.

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Re: When will Nissan announce details of the next-gen Leaf

Thu May 07, 2015 5:18 pm

ydnas7 wrote:Nissan hasn't even released details of the new 2016 Altima due in a few months. Next gen LEAF details will probably not be released until very close to release.
This.

Nissan will hold on to Leaf 2 details as much as possible - only releasing them when they can no longer guarantee secrecy (i.e. too many people at the factory & parts manufacturers will need to be told the details).

My guess - mid of 2016 reveal - with late 2016 sale.
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Re: When will Nissan announce details of the next-gen Leaf

Thu May 07, 2015 11:29 pm

tkdbrusco wrote:I'd be willing to bet that we see (by Nov/Dec) a 2016 model that is nearly identical to 2015 with the exception of a slightly bigger pack. Not sure if they will still offer the existing pack in S/SV and then have a bigger pack in SL, or if they will just use a new pack across the board. I'd be willing to bet that the latter occurs. Expect a new pack across the entire range that delivers slightly over 100 miles in EST range. My guess is that the engineers at Nissan will be finding a way to increase the density in the existing model's pack in order to keep selling the car until the Gen2 arrives, but also create a replacement battery situation that allows them to move a lot of lease returns currently on the lots.
I'm really crossing my fingers that this replacement pack also drops into the '11-12 LEAFs. Those who get a new pack under warranty may end up the real winners here. Really sucks getting only 45 miles from 100% to LBW these days when 65 miles used to be possible and 50 miles on a 80% charge were easy, but if I were able to drop a slightly larger pack in for the same ~$5.5k a lizard pack costs and I wait until the car has 55k miles, TCO won't be too horrendous.

But yeah, otherwise Nissan will have to do something special to avoid losing sales to the Volt - 50 EV miles with 40 mpg after that is very appealing. I figure you need 100 EV miles to counter it at least.

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