stutech
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Tue Apr 09, 2019 6:06 pm

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
stutech wrote:I bought an SL plus the other day, trading in my 2018 SV. So far I can say the new leaf plus is tremendously better in lots of ways. The first one being I seem to get better miles per kw averaging 3.8 to 4 in most scenarios. I believe this may have something to do with more available power from the motor. Second the new infotainment center looks crisp and operates way faster. Nissan also added a new range display map that actually calculates based on speed and terrain, I would actually say it’s pessimistic, and I’ve definitely beat its guess on range. Another thing they added too the infotainment is album art, and way better maps, both of which are a big deal too me. I got to take the car on a trip to Boise recently from South Jordan, Utah(Salt Lake), and can say it did fairly well. I was pretty nervous on the first leg of the trip only going 60mph from Ogden, Utah to Heyburn Idaho, due too the giant hills. I then charged at electrify America, at 50kw the entire time, until it got over 85% and it cost me $16.88 to go form 19% to 89%. I then drove 70mph from Heyburn, Idaho to Mountain Home, Idaho averaging 3.8miles per kw. I then charged in Mountain Home at electrify America costing me $4.35 and adding about 60miles. I could have probably made it all the way too Boise from Heyburn, but I was scared as I hadn’t tested the car, and it was pretty cold outside so I needed heat. The car did pretty well considering their was rain and a bit of cold the whole way. One thing I did notice though is the guess o meter is complete garbage, and I had to rely on the battery percentage to really know if I was going to make it. My guess o meter kept changing by plus or minus 40miles really upping my range anxiety. I paid $38,000 for the sl plus model through so I am not too upset with the performance as after tax credit it will only be $30500 which is great for the features and performance. I thought about a model 3 instead, but sat in one and hated the lack of things that are basic in other cars. The model s on the other hand was really nice, but out of my budget. Overall I would say the leaf plus models are really pretty good for the money and you could do worse.
How did you determine charging speed? do you have LEAF Spy or did you simply use Nissan dash?

I used a combination of the dash charging rate indicated, and leaf spy pro. The Nissan Leaf dash seems to be fairly accurate, although a bit fuzzy compared to doing the calculation manually with the total time and inputed kw to get an average charging rate.
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Tue Apr 09, 2019 6:52 pm

stutech wrote:
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
stutech wrote:I bought an SL plus the other day, trading in my 2018 SV. So far I can say the new leaf plus is tremendously better in lots of ways. The first one being I seem to get better miles per kw averaging 3.8 to 4 in most scenarios. I believe this may have something to do with more available power from the motor. Second the new infotainment center looks crisp and operates way faster. Nissan also added a new range display map that actually calculates based on speed and terrain, I would actually say it’s pessimistic, and I’ve definitely beat its guess on range. Another thing they added too the infotainment is album art, and way better maps, both of which are a big deal too me. I got to take the car on a trip to Boise recently from South Jordan, Utah(Salt Lake), and can say it did fairly well. I was pretty nervous on the first leg of the trip only going 60mph from Ogden, Utah to Heyburn Idaho, due too the giant hills. I then charged at electrify America, at 50kw the entire time, until it got over 85% and it cost me $16.88 to go form 19% to 89%. I then drove 70mph from Heyburn, Idaho to Mountain Home, Idaho averaging 3.8miles per kw. I then charged in Mountain Home at electrify America costing me $4.35 and adding about 60miles. I could have probably made it all the way too Boise from Heyburn, but I was scared as I hadn’t tested the car, and it was pretty cold outside so I needed heat. The car did pretty well considering their was rain and a bit of cold the whole way. One thing I did notice though is the guess o meter is complete garbage, and I had to rely on the battery percentage to really know if I was going to make it. My guess o meter kept changing by plus or minus 40miles really upping my range anxiety. I paid $38,000 for the sl plus model through so I am not too upset with the performance as after tax credit it will only be $30500 which is great for the features and performance. I thought about a model 3 instead, but sat in one and hated the lack of things that are basic in other cars. The model s on the other hand was really nice, but out of my budget. Overall I would say the leaf plus models are really pretty good for the money and you could do worse.
How did you determine charging speed? do you have LEAF Spy or did you simply use Nissan dash?

I used a combination of the dash charging rate indicated, and leaf spy pro. The Nissan Leaf dash seems to be fairly accurate, although a bit fuzzy compared to doing the calculation manually with the total time and inputed kw to get an average charging rate.
Dash is accurate for me as well but in whole numbers. Realize LEAF Spy does not show charge rate. It only shows power going to the battery. Why is this different? Because there is always systems running that deduct from the charge rate which is why LEAF Spy will always read a bit lower than the dash.

So you saw nothing higher than 50 KW? Have you tried EVGO? "Some" run faster than 50 KW.
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Wed Apr 10, 2019 12:17 pm

I’ve tried all the chargers near me, and everywhere on a few trips, and have yet too find one over 50kw. I think the nearest one too me is the worlds largest thermometer in Baler, California. EVgo kind of sucks here in terms of equip, as it’s mostly dated. I’m hoping electrify America turns on the 100kw chademo soon, but I’ve read even their ccs is software limited at this time. Would be really awesome if someone made a ccs to chademo adaptor, then I could probably find a way to test 100kw charging.
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:23 pm

What we likely need is Chademo to ccs not the other way around.

That is unless the Chinese start putting 400kWh chargers in the US.
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Thu Apr 18, 2019 9:28 pm

We finally let our e-Plus Leaf get down to a 20% charge, so I plugged in LeafSpy. With the dash reporting 20%, LeafSpy says 29.8% and 17.9kWh remaining. So, it still hides at least 10% of the battery capacity just like the 40kWh version.
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Thu Apr 18, 2019 9:34 pm

stutech wrote: Would be really awesome if someone made a ccs to chademo adaptor, then I could probably find a way to test 100kw charging.
Then you could really "cook" the battery fast over a few years.
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Fri Apr 19, 2019 6:40 am

Astros wrote:We finally let our e-Plus Leaf get down to a 20% charge, so I plugged in LeafSpy. With the dash reporting 20%, LeafSpy says 29.8% and 17.9kWh remaining. So, it still hides at least 10% of the battery capacity just like the 40kWh version.
can you chart some voltages over SOC? eg; 360 volts @ 50%, 375 volts @ 60%, etc.?
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Sat Apr 20, 2019 5:56 am

Kieran973 wrote:
Thanks. I've just been searching on the Nissan USA site since cars.com, autotrader, etc. don't seem to distinguish the 40 kWh from the 62 kWh Leafs. Though I just checked cargurus and they've added SV Plus and and SL Plus as searchable trims.
I have not read through the latest posts so maybe you figured this out already. You have to look at the VIN. A “B” in the fourth character of VIN indicates the car you are looking at is a Leaf Plus.
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Sun Apr 21, 2019 5:07 am

stutech wrote:I bought an SL plus the other day, trading in my 2018 SV.
I also traded in my 2018 SV (w/ tech and weather pkg) for a SL Plus last week. I also paid $38K for the SL. Here in Maryland, we have the utility rebate ($2,500 BGE) and state tax credit ($3,000) available so the whole transaction costs me under $6,000 net out of pocket. ($22K on trade)

If you add future trade/sales value of the 2 models that brings it down even more.

Hooked up LeafSpy and here are some baseline numbers, I want to track things over time but need to learn the app more.

odo = 114
Ahr = 175.54
SOH = 99.51% 388.30V
Hx = 99.64%
664 GIDs
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LEAF 2019 SL Plus Gun Metallic
5/4/19 - odo 570, SOH 99.22, AHr 175.02, Hx 103.17

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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Sun Apr 21, 2019 7:49 am

Astros wrote:We finally let our e-Plus Leaf get down to a 20% charge, so I plugged in LeafSpy. With the dash reporting 20%, LeafSpy says 29.8% and 17.9kWh remaining. So, it still hides at least 10% of the battery capacity just like the 40kWh version.
Thank you for reporting this back. Sad to hear Nissan has chosen to have that much of capacity still hidden. The actual range on the GOM could be substantial higher.

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