DougWantsALeaf
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Sat May 23, 2020 8:54 pm

I would agree. My guess is by buffering against an algorithm which paces the battery out over 8 years, they can reduce warranty claims on the cars. If battery performs better say post 18 months vs model, it gives a little back. I guess that’s ok?? It just makes you feel a bit bad here at year 1.

Anyway, My kids drove Chicago to Milwaukee (Muskego technically) and back (Much of the highway at full 70+ speeds) with battery to spare, so guess maybe I don’t care that much yet. My kids don’t care about massaging out the tenths of a kWh on these drives like I do, and were fine at the 3.7-3.9 (including a few miles of local roads some slower freeway sections) efficiency.

Unrelated, just tripped across this now dated article.

https://www.alexonautos.com/rangeexplained/

Those on the board with an SR+ and a Leaf, do you find (near sea level) you can get 240 miles of 70mph freeway realistically? The Leaf Plus can only do about 200 without riding with traffic of favorable winds.
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DougWantsALeaf
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Sun May 24, 2020 5:56 pm

All

Do you think the Plus with the 16” wheels accelerates faster than the 17” wheels? Does turning traction control off help much?
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Sun May 24, 2020 6:23 pm

The final drive ratio is lower because of the smaller wheels, but the inverter may take that into account. IOW, I'm not sure.
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Mon May 25, 2020 6:10 am

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 5:56 pm
All

Do you think the Plus with the 16” wheels accelerates faster than the 17” wheels? Does turning traction control off help much?
TC is fully dependent on your tires. Look at any dragster. TC is obviously not in their tool box.
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Wed May 27, 2020 9:22 am

Ok, here is my latest conspiracy thought.

The Leaf BMS starts the battery at or just under 60kW, or a 3.3% buffer on the battery, not really enough for long term endurance. Still, this allows it to reach the 215/226 EPA rating for testing. The battery then steps down over the next year, down to 56-7ish kW, or an 8-10+% buffer, which appears to be what other manufacturers (except Tesla) are settling on. From that point forward, it then modulates based on keeping that buffer. As the battery is only slowly reducing from that point, we see the flattening.

This does not explain the AZ Leaf Plus, loving the Sun and heat with a higher SOH at over 1 year. Lucky 3 sigma battery which was originally 64kW??
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Wed May 27, 2020 11:16 am

SL Plus ...Built 2/19... purchase new 3/20 ...current SOH 96.06% with 1,800 miles
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DougWantsALeaf
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Wed May 27, 2020 12:06 pm

On Reddit there are also a number of 1 year old Plus reports with battery status of about 96-96.5%. The fact you have had an extra leveling cycle is a positive sign.
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Wed May 27, 2020 8:34 pm

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 5:56 pm
All

Do you think the Plus with the 16” wheels accelerates faster than the 17” wheels? Does turning traction control off help much?
The difference in diameter is not enough to make a significant difference. My experience is that the 16-inch diameter OEM Bridgestone Ecopias that came on the 2011 provided better dry and wet traction than the 17-inch diameter OEM Michelin Energy Saver A/S tires that came on the 2015 and 2019. Traction is the main issue for acceleration (especially with the Plus models) so better tires will improve the acceleration over the OEM Michelins. The best acceleration is obtained by modulating the accelerator pedal to get maximum torque without wheel slip so there is no benefit to turning traction control off as long as you modulate the accelerator correctly.

The last tires I put on the 2015 were Ecopias one size larger than original (215/55 R17 vs. original 215/50 R17) and both acceleration and range were improved over the previous tires. I recently replaced the OEM Michelins on the 2019 with 215/55 R17 Bridgestone DriveGuard run flat tires to minimize the risk of driving around without a spare. The DriveGuards are significantly heavier and slightly larger (increased rotating mass) than the OEM Michelins, but offer much better traction. The acceleration seems to be about the same or slightly better--increased traction makes up for the slightly larger diameter and significantly increased rotating mass, but range is reduced.
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Wed Jun 03, 2020 6:30 am

Question to the board. In my 2013, the gids would always slowly increase in the spring as the temperatures increased. It was never more than a half dozen gids, but it would go up.

In my 2019 Plus, I have not experienced that this spring. Any anyone else seen increases between winter and summer outside temperatures? Admittedly, I don't fully charge very often, but curious what others have measured.
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Wed Jun 03, 2020 6:55 am

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 6:30 am
Question to the board. In my 2013, the gids would always slowly increase in the spring as the temperatures increased. It was never more than a half dozen gids, but it would go up.

In my 2019 Plus, I have not experienced that this spring. Any anyone else seen increases between winter and summer outside temperatures? Admittedly, I don't fully charge very often, but curious what others have measured.
To make a LONG story short. The ideology that charging habits or temperature will significantly change the usable capacity of the pack is simply not possible.

The fluctuations you saw was more likely algorithm errors than any actual capacity change. Nissan has simply improved the algorithm. Now there still remains the question of why some 90 adjustments go up which isn't really possible.
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