DaveinOlyWA
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Wed Jun 10, 2020 7:21 pm

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Wed Jun 10, 2020 7:09 pm
Another very positive local range test.

https://youtu.be/r-6VgTTsl-o

Tom M. From inside EVs ran the LR M3 on an ideal temp range test. 289 miles, which was pretty good. It is impressive that Tesla can keep 4.2-4.3 at 70mph. The Leaf is great/as efficient at low speeds, but isn’t nearly as efficiency above 45-50 mph. Aero is a piece of it, but am guessing the overall Powertrain also isn’t as efficient at the higher draws.

While I believe the Leaf to be a very good value and am a big fan of the form, it would be good if they could up their game a bit.
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Mon Jun 22, 2020 11:09 am

Just picked up this profile platform style bike rack to go along with the hitch I installed last weekend.

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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Mon Jun 22, 2020 11:46 am

Ok, took my S+ Plus out it’s first extended drive today. Conditions were perfect mid 80’s and humid, so wind resistance was likely optimal.

The drive was from North side of Chicago to Huntley IL. 3 miles to the highway at 35, 38 miles on the highway between 65-73mph (speedometer), the final leg about 3 miles or so at 45 mph.

Total drive 89 miles per Google and 91 miles per odometer.

Leaving Stats. 759 Gids, 99.3%SOC LS, 99% Dash SOC 58.8kilowatts.
End Stats. 535 Gids, 66% dash SOC 69.6% SOC LS. 41.5 Kilowatts.

So, needless to say I was blown away by the efficiency...really to a point of disbelief.

Watching GPS based speeds at 70mph, it does look like there is an error of about 3%, or just over 2mph. I am guessing that s due to the tire diameter.

On a numbers basis... this was 89 miles on 17.3 kilowatts of power..an unbelievable 5.1 efficiency round trip. The trip computer measured 4.8 miles a kilowatt, which is also too high for the speeds I was traveling.

Now the car is an inch lower, the wheels are lighter, the car is lighter, There was some traffic maybe modestly helping with slipstream, and I have lost 5 pounds in the last month, but still..

It may be time for a 1000km challenge if this is true. I posted a picture leaving on reddit. Charged GOM was over 300 miles today.

Battery ending temp was 85F which was about ambient.

Dave, others, have you seen anything close to this?? I am still think I must be miscalculating.
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Mon Jun 22, 2020 11:55 am

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Mon Jun 22, 2020 11:46 am
On a numbers basis... this was 89 miles on 17.3 kilowatts of power..an unbelievable 5.1 efficiency round trip. The trip computer measured 4.8 miles a kilowatt, which is also too high for the speeds I was traveling.
In all of the above, kilowatt-hours (kWh) are the correct units. "89 miles on 17.3 kilowatts of power" makes no sense.

Watts are a measure of power. Watt-hours (Wh) are a measure of energy. See https://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic. ... 69#p520169.

The car uses the right units in its instrumentation. I wouldn't use what Leaf Spy says in terms of kWh.

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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Mon Jun 22, 2020 12:43 pm

Does anyone know of any reviewers that did a range test in the S+? I only know of SL Plus tests.

I did pulse the air on the way home (temps had moved up from 80 to 85-87F) , but doubt that used much power. The AC in the S Plus seems to be more responsive than the SV+.
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Mon Jun 22, 2020 1:28 pm

The AC in the S Plus seems to be more responsive than the SV+.
Both the S and the S+ use an actual A/C unit, and it's supposed to be a bit more efficient than the heatpump at providing A/C. It may also be faster.
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Mon Jun 22, 2020 1:50 pm

My SL+ with 17" wheels match exactly to the GPS speed.
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Mon Jun 22, 2020 3:03 pm

Yes, the SV+ we have matches exactly too. The 16” wheels appear to over read a bit, likely due to smaller diameter.

I am still scratching my head at the high speed efficiency. It was a round trip so unlikely wind would have assisted.
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Mon Jun 22, 2020 8:18 pm

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Mon Jun 22, 2020 12:43 pm
Does anyone know of any reviewers that did a range test in the S+? I only know of SL Plus tests.

I did pulse the air on the way home (temps had moved up from 80 to 85-87F) , but doubt that used much power. The AC in the S Plus seems to be more responsive than the SV+.
I did one just recently. Over 90% freeway @ 65 mph (Cruise control) most of the time. Only a few slow downs and none lasted more than a few miles. Estimated range over 260, miles actually driven over 252. Weather was not good in the morning but only affected half of the morning drive. After that, it was perfect with A/C on most of the time.

https://daveinolywa.blogspot.com/2020/0 ... -test.html
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Tue Jun 23, 2020 5:53 am

Dave, your results match my test pretty well. On the highway at 65-70 I was averaging about 4.4-4.5 miles per kilowatt hour.

I also agree that the AC runs very cold regardless of the temp it’s set at.

The other surprise was my battery temp. It was at ambient after a 70 mph run. In the SV+, because of the higher power draw, after an hour of driving I would generally see a few degrees above ambient. I think the S+ could be the cross country cruiser.

Is there any possible volt/amp combination which would let the Leaf Plus charge at close to the 100kWh rate advertised?
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