DougWantsALeaf
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Location: Chicago North Side

Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Sat Mar 09, 2019 2:52 pm

It’s all about the cargo for us (and our 3 teenagers). Costco and Sams club runs only the Leaf (and maybe Niro, or X) would work. The 3 is pretty, but substandard cargo area.

Our 13 leaf has seen a ping pong table and a 6’ Costco (non foldable) in the back.

Looking forward to the extra inch of width and leg room on the 19.
2019 S Plus (98.06% SOH) & 2019 SV Plus (94.77% SOH) Both Silver
2013 Leaf SV sold 2019 with 11 bars
100 Mile Club Member (Number 87)
Max Miles on 13 Leaf: 120 miles
Max Miles on 19 SV+: 242 Highway miles @ 4.5 miles/kWh

SageBrush
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Location: NM

Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Sat Mar 09, 2019 3:01 pm

DougWantsALeaf wrote:The 3 is pretty, but substandard cargo area. .
The Model 3 is a lot more space utility than you give it credit although a hatchback it is not.

Given a choice today, I also would buy a Model Y. One of these days I'll add a hitch to my Model 3 for the best of both worlds.
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/18: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/18: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
09/20: 54.3 Ahr; 38k miles
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webeleafowners
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Joined: Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:37 pm
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Location: Okanagan Valley British Columbia

Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Sat Mar 09, 2019 3:31 pm

SageBrush wrote:ALL the ChadeMO we have in town are out of operation. It may be different in B.C. but make no mistake that you are adopting a dying technology with a LEAF purchase even though it is the leader in your area today. Tough choice to be sure.

Here is CCS today in B.C. In your shoes I would lease either CCS or CHadeMO to give Tesla time to expand the Supercharger network in Canada.

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I hear you Sagebrush and yah, I think CCS will become the eventual standard. But the goverment is committed to dual CCS/Chademo units at least thru phase 3 of the buildout. (They are currently working on phase 2). Although we don’t do a lot of DCFC they have been pretty reliable so the maintenance contracter must be working okay.

I kinda wish the Leaf was CCS but the fact that it is Chademo won’t stop me from buying it. The reality is we only keep our vehicles for 6 or 7 years anyway.

I appreciate the input.
2020 Model 3 Tesla. AWD with FSD. Deep metallic blue. Our daily driver.
2016 Nissan Leaf SV 30KWh Culis Red. Sold. Was my daily driver. Loved that car.
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DougWantsALeaf
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Sat Mar 09, 2019 4:20 pm

All of the electrify America stations have both, though are weighted towards ccs.

It is a for certain vhs vs Betamax issue. Short of another major manufacturer using Chademo, I agree it’s long term prospect outside of Japan is going to be challenged.
2019 S Plus (98.06% SOH) & 2019 SV Plus (94.77% SOH) Both Silver
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100 Mile Club Member (Number 87)
Max Miles on 13 Leaf: 120 miles
Max Miles on 19 SV+: 242 Highway miles @ 4.5 miles/kWh

SageBrush
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Sat Mar 09, 2019 4:45 pm

"I kinda wish the Leaf was CCS but the fact that it is Chademo won’t stop me from buying it. The reality is we only keep our vehicles for 6 or 7 years anyway. "

Perhaps, but you many wish to consider what it will do to your depreciation.

"But the goverment is committed to dual CCS/Chademo units at least thru phase 3 of the buildout."
I expect that to change in a few short years.
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/18: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/18: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
09/20: 54.3 Ahr; 38k miles
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webeleafowners
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Sat Mar 09, 2019 5:45 pm

SageBrush wrote:"I kinda wish the Leaf was CCS but the fact that it is Chademo won’t stop me from buying it. The reality is we only keep our vehicles for 6 or 7 years anyway. "

Perhaps, but you many wish to consider what it will do to your depreciation.

"But the goverment is committed to dual CCS/Chademo units at least thru phase 3 of the buildout."
I expect that to change in a few short years.
Agreed. But it has to be practical. Otherwise what’s the point. Our present combination of 2016 Leaf SV and smart ED suits all our needs. But that will change in a little less than two years when we need a solid 300 km summer range and the ability to travel 550 or so Kilometers per day for a certain 1800 km road trip we make twice a year. We stop often so a few 20 minute DCFC stops per day works fine.

I appreciate your points of view. Lots to think about. And I love the fact you own a Leaf and a three.
2020 Model 3 Tesla. AWD with FSD. Deep metallic blue. Our daily driver.
2016 Nissan Leaf SV 30KWh Culis Red. Sold. Was my daily driver. Loved that car.
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cwerdna
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Location: SF Bay Area, CA

Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Sat Mar 09, 2019 9:05 pm

DaveinOlyWA wrote:Did a TCO on the two. Granted it's aimed at my needs and wants so...

https://daveinolywa.blogspot.com/2019/0 ... r-tco.html

As far as which car I would choose; Sad to say that I would have taken the Tesla if they still had the full tax credit but without it, the price difference is simply too big.
Comment on your charging comparison made there beside the road trip use case mentioned in a comment on your blog...

In my area, Tesla's been opening up Superchargers all over the place and doing it right w/multiple stalls. These opened up recently:
https://www.tesla.com/findus/location/s ... percharger
https://www.tesla.com/findus/location/s ... percharger
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads ... 19.140899/ is just under 2 miles away from the above and is WIP.

Not sure how long this has been open but I've used the free L2 ChargePoint EVSEs at the same location as https://www.tesla.com/findus/location/s ... percharger.

I've seen https://www.tesla.com/findus/location/s ... percharger and also used the ChargePoint L2 EVSEs there. It was one of the few public places that ran at 240 volts instead of 208. https://www.tesla.com/findus/location/s ... percharger is nearby but I haven't gone to look.

At my work, for a few folks, if they can't get enough time on the ChargePoint L2 EVSEs or Tesla WCs, sometimes out of laziness or due to being busy w/work, some of them just go to the local Supercharger to charge up. For the Model 3 guys, it costs them $. For a few of the older Model S and X crowd, their cars included free SCing.

Also, it looks like on their nav system, they get to see the nearby stations and how many stalls are open. Their smartphone app definitely shows that. I haven't used their on-board planner.

There is https://www.tesla.com/trips which seems incomplete on the vehicle selections, but if you put in say San Jose, CA to Los Angeles, CA, it even tells you wish SCs to stop and at for how long (e.g. Harris Ranch for 10 minutes and Bakersfield for 30 minutes).

Going that route in my Bolt or a '18+ Leaf would be problematic and one might have to take 101 or 99 (instead of the I-5 which is the preferred route for ICEVs), besides needing to make more stops, for much longer.

'19 Bolt Premier
'13 Leaf SV w/premium (owned)
'13 Leaf SV w/QC + LED & premium (lease over)

Please don't PM me with Leaf questions. Just post in the topic that seems most appropriate.

SageBrush
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Sun Mar 10, 2019 12:13 am

cwerdna wrote: if you put in say San Jose, CA to Los Angeles, CA, it even tells you wish SCs to stop and at for how long (e.g. Harris Ranch for 10 minutes and Bakersfield for 30 minutes).
The in-car Nav does the same. It works so well that I do not plan trips anymore, I just get in the car and drive.
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/18: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/18: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
09/20: 54.3 Ahr; 38k miles
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:51 am

DaveinOlyWA wrote:Did a TCO on the two. Granted it's aimed at my needs and wants so...

https://daveinolywa.blogspot.com/2019/0 ... r-tco.html

As far as which car I would choose; Sad to say that I would have taken the Tesla if they still had the full tax credit but without it, the price difference is simply too big. But things change rapidly. I may feel different in 6 months. I have 2 years on my current lease so expect to have a much better perspective by then (and hopefully a lot more valid choices!)
This is great, Thanks!

GetOffYourGas
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Location: Syracuse, NY

Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Sun Mar 10, 2019 9:37 am

SageBrush wrote:
Newbie wrote: F.e.
Do you want to write the abbreviation of "for example" ?

It is E.g.
Thank you for writing this out. I actually didn’t know what he meant by F.e. Now it seems obvious. Yes, e.g. is the accepted abbreviation (from Latin, not English)
~Brian

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