gesingle
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:23 am

Congrats on car! any new degradation warranty info to pass along? What SOC does the knee happen?
The warranty booklet says "...the lithium-ion battery is also warranted against capacity loss below nine segments as shown on the vehicle's battery capacity gauge for 96 months or 100,000 miles, whichever comes first."

I just got a LeafSpy and am still figuring it out, Haven't monitored a charge cycle yet.

lorenfb
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:31 pm

gesingle wrote:
Congrats on car! any new degradation warranty info to pass along? What SOC does the knee happen?
The warranty booklet says "...the lithium-ion battery is also warranted against capacity loss below nine segments as shown on the vehicle's battery capacity gauge for 96 months or 100,000 miles, whichever comes first."

I just got a LeafSpy and am still figuring it out, Haven't monitored a charge cycle yet.
That warranty is the same as for the previous recent Nissan Leafs, with exception of earlier Leafs like mine. It was only 5 years or 60K,
or whatever. I received my expected value after 5.5 yrs and 73K miles at this point in time, and with no problems whatsoever.

That's great that you have LeafSpy. If you're like some on MNL, you'll enjoy the app and help provide some of us on MNL insightful info
about the e-Plus.
#1 Leaf SL MY 9/13: 76K miles, 47 Ahrs, 5.0 miles/kWh (average), Hx=70, SOH=73, L2 - 100% > 1000, temp < 95F, (DOD) > 20 Ahrs
#2 Leaf SL MY 12/18: 10.3K miles, SOH 109Ahrs/115Ahrs, 5.2 miles/kWh (average), DOD > 20%, temp < 105F

DougWantsALeaf
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Sat Mar 16, 2019 3:25 pm

So based on the gov fuel efficiency site. 94 miles per e-gallon, would translate to only about 180 freeway miles. (33 kWh per gallon)

That feels low from early observations.

Anyone driving the new plus have any more data (at 55 or 65 or 70) to report?

Thanks
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gesingle
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:31 pm

lorenfb wrote:
gesingle wrote:After over 6 months of anticipation, we now have a new LEAF SL Plus!
Congrats and welcome to MNL.

I was at a Nissan dealer this past week considering a 2019 SV (no Pro), but the lowest on a 3 yr was $3K plus $350/mo.
They indicated that in the next few weeks they might have a Plus. I'll wait and see how the 2019s sell and how motivated Nissan
is to "move" the 2019s this summer.

I've been a little concerned that the LeafSpy app might not communicate with the 2019 Leafs. Are you aware of the LeafSpy app
that runs on iOS & Android? It can provide a lot info on the Leaf's battery. There's a free version for download. You might consider
downloading the app and providing MNL some battery data about your new Leaf.
I downloaded the latest iOS LeafSpy Pro from the Apple store, version 1.7.38. OBDII scanner is an LELink 2 for Bluetooth. It connected right up and seems to be working fine. The Model Year settings had dropdowns for 2019 and battery size 60 kWh (not 62, but close enough). I'm still tinkering with it, but once I get some good logs I can post some data such as the SOC at the knee requested by DaveinOlyWA. Is there other data that some might find useful?

DaveinOlyWA
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:55 pm

gesingle wrote:
lorenfb wrote:
gesingle wrote:After over 6 months of anticipation, we now have a new LEAF SL Plus!
Congrats and welcome to MNL.

I was at a Nissan dealer this past week considering a 2019 SV (no Pro), but the lowest on a 3 yr was $3K plus $350/mo.
They indicated that in the next few weeks they might have a Plus. I'll wait and see how the 2019s sell and how motivated Nissan
is to "move" the 2019s this summer.

I've been a little concerned that the LeafSpy app might not communicate with the 2019 Leafs. Are you aware of the LeafSpy app
that runs on iOS & Android? It can provide a lot info on the Leaf's battery. There's a free version for download. You might consider
downloading the app and providing MNL some battery data about your new Leaf.
I downloaded the latest iOS LeafSpy Pro from the Apple store, version 1.7.38. OBDII scanner is an LELink 2 for Bluetooth. It connected right up and seems to be working fine. The Model Year settings had dropdowns for 2019 and battery size 60 kWh (not 62, but close enough). I'm still tinkering with it, but once I get some good logs I can post some data such as the SOC at the knee requested by DaveinOlyWA. Is there other data that some might find useful?
Awesome!!

Yeah, add anything that seems interesting. Ahr would be good. kwh available at full charge. GIDs at full charge.
2011 SL; 44,598 mi, 87% SOH. 2013 S; 44,840 mi, 91% SOH. 2016 S30; 29,413 mi, 99% SOH. 2018 S; 25,185 mi, SOH 92.23%. 2019 S Plus; 14,342.8 mi, 93.16% SOH
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Sun Mar 17, 2019 6:30 am

DougWantsALeaf wrote:So based on the gov fuel efficiency site. 94 miles per e-gallon, would translate to only about 180 freeway miles. (33 kWh per gallon)
I'll guess 60 kWh usable, so (60/33.4)*94 = 169 mile highway range maximum. A more realistic number presuming SoC use from 90% down to 10% then leaves 169*0.8 = 135 highway miles.
EPA highway testing is equivalent to ~ 65 mph on dry roads, no headwind and lowish AC use. Less benign weather and poorly considered cabin heating instead of more efficient measures can knock 30-50% off EPA range.

All told, you can feel secure in having 75 miles of range year-round ... until the battery degrades.
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Bought Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/18: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/18: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Sun Mar 17, 2019 7:56 am

DougWantsALeaf wrote:So based on the gov fuel efficiency site. 94 miles per e-gallon, would translate to only about 180 freeway miles. (33 kWh per gallon)
Half of EPA range is 107 for the SL and SV, 113 miles for the S. Probably a fair estimate for No Worries Range.
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DougWantsALeaf
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:34 am

Come on. For years I could do a careful 100 miles at 55 mph on my 13 leaf. 60-80 degrees.

Tony Williams’ tests were about 85-88 miles at 62mph. All with about 21.5 usable kWh

Assuming only a small loss of efficiency due to extra weight, at 60 usable, 200 miles has to be doable at 62 mph.

Interesting such a big differs between S an SV as the weight is only about 30 pounds different.

I was talking to Nissan around the time I ordered by SV and they told me they hadn’t seen the difference in ther testing as the gov between the trim levels.
2019 S Plus (98.06% SOH) & 2019 SV Plus (94.77% SOH) Both Silver
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WetEV
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:59 am

DougWantsALeaf wrote:Come on. For years I could do a careful 100 miles at 55 mph on my 13 leaf. 60-80 degrees.
Yes, but that is careful driving, not a fully degraded battery, not having a reserve and at optimum temperatures.

DougWantsALeaf wrote:Assuming only a small loss of efficiency due to extra weight, at 60 usable, 200 miles has to be doable at 62 mph.
Yea, likely in ideal conditions.
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DaveinOlyWA
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Mon Mar 18, 2019 6:46 am

WetEV wrote:
DougWantsALeaf wrote:Come on. For years I could do a careful 100 miles at 55 mph on my 13 leaf. 60-80 degrees.
Yes, but that is careful driving, not a fully degraded battery, not having a reserve and at optimum temperatures.

DougWantsALeaf wrote:Assuming only a small loss of efficiency due to extra weight, at 60 usable, 200 miles has to be doable at 62 mph.
Yea, likely in ideal conditions.
Doesn't ignore the fact that LEAFs have always beaten the EPA in good conditions. 100 miles on the original is a stretch but 90 was quite easy. Sure the speed limit here is 60 and not always possible, but that is reality.
2011 SL; 44,598 mi, 87% SOH. 2013 S; 44,840 mi, 91% SOH. 2016 S30; 29,413 mi, 99% SOH. 2018 S; 25,185 mi, SOH 92.23%. 2019 S Plus; 14,342.8 mi, 93.16% SOH
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