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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:17 am
by Oilpan4
Yeah besides the internal differences the 62kwh battery is taller, around 300lb heavier.

Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:14 pm
by cwerdna
I happened to revisit posts around this for something else...
cwerdna wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:22 pm
Kieran973 wrote: Unless Nissan is thinking is that the Kona Electric is a compliance vehicle that, over the next two years, will only sell a couple hundred models in Southern California and therefore won't really be a competitor? Fair enough, but this was the Ioniq EV's story between 2017-2019,....
As I've said it before many times, I'm highly skeptical about all the Kona EV and Niro EV buzz until we see the vehicles available widely in the US and in quantity, not the near vaporware So Cal only status of the Ioniq EV.

I just saw this posted at https://www.facebook.com/groups/seattle ... %22R%22%7D and it sounds like what I guessed might be right.

WA dealer is saying it will be *years* before they get any up there. CA first and Oregon next.

It cracks me up when people outside CA talk about such vehicles, and even more so if they don't live in CARB emissions state.
Kieran973 wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:09 pm
if the Kia Niro EV really does come in at $38K - that car being a significantly more spacious and therefore more viable subcompact CUV than the Kona - then I don't see how the Leaf Plus could start at $35-37K (including delivery), given that the Niro will have all the advantages of the Kona listed above....
Looking at https://insideevs.com/news/373812/ev-sa ... mber-2019/, it seems for the US, so far, Leaf is outselling Kona EV by about 10:1 YTD and Niro EV by about 20:1 YTD.

Don't know the mix of 40 vs. 62 kWh vehicles though. So, whereever the prices have ended up at, it's not like Kona EV and Niro EV have suddenly pulled ahead of Leaf in the US.

Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:07 pm
by Oilpan4
I don't know what the mix of 40kwh to 62kwh cars is but it seems the regular 40kwh cars are vastly outselling the 62kwh for 2019.

I could see it being 10 to 1 for 40kwh sales to 62kwh sales. It doesn't appear to be anywhere near 50/50 not even 75/25.

Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:28 am
by DaveinOlyWA
Right now there are two completely unusual things going on

Unrealistically high used 40 kwh prices.

And a push on 62 kwh vehicles. Its well known Nissan is having financial problems and one of their solutions is cutting US incentives on the LEAF (which is a bit of a head scratcher since their low finance rates and favorable lease terms is THE one big advantage in the EV market) so looks like one last year end push before the hammer comes down?

Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:00 am
by lorenfb
Oilpan4 wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:07 pm
I don't know what the mix of 40kwh to 62kwh cars is but it seems the regular 40kwh cars are vastly outselling the 62kwh for 2019.

I could see it being 10 to 1 for 40kwh sales to 62kwh sales. It doesn't appear to be anywhere near 50/50 not even 75/25.
For many, the range of the 40kWh battery is ideal. For my business travels in SoCal, charging at home is all I need,
no more having to plan on a QC and then finding it occupied or down. For my very infrequent longer range travels,
my two ICEVs are available. In the 8 months (5K miles) of driving my 40kWh, I've only QCed once.

Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:27 am
by goldbrick
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:28 am
Unrealistically high used 40 kwh prices.
Amen. Once again, here in CO, it is cheaper to buy a new Leaf than a used one, assuming the ability to claim the full $7500 Fed tax credit.

Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:17 pm
by danrjones
goldbrick wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:27 am
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:28 am
Unrealistically high used 40 kwh prices.
Amen. Once again, here in CO, it is cheaper to buy a new Leaf than a used one, assuming the ability to claim the full $7500 Fed tax credit.
I wonder if a dealer would give you a reasonable trade in for a 40 if you moved to a plus?

Interestingly around where I live the dealers mostly have plus models now. When getting work done last Friday at my dealer they had three and all were plus models.

Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:28 pm
by webeleafowners
danrjones wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:17 pm
goldbrick wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:27 am
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:28 am
Unrealistically high used 40 kwh prices.
Amen. Once again, here in CO, it is cheaper to buy a new Leaf than a used one, assuming the ability to claim the full $7500 Fed tax credit.
I wonder if a dealer would give you a reasonable trade in for a 40 if you moved to a plus?

Interestingly around where I live the dealers mostly have plus models now. When getting work done last Friday at my dealer they had three and all were plus models.
It’s weird. It’s a minimum 6 month wait for an Eplus in BC. Our dealership is sold out till next July on Epluses. We get ours in March and have been waiting since September. Different assembly line for Canucks?

Weird.

Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:39 pm
by DougWantsALeaf
There are different features on the canada Leaf. For instance you get a rear heated seat. They cut that on the US model.

Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:23 pm
by webeleafowners
DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:39 pm
There are different features on the canada Leaf. For instance you get a rear heated seat. They cut that on the US model.
Interesting. Anything else?