DaveinOlyWA
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:05 pm

danrjones wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:17 pm
goldbrick wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:27 am
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:28 am
Unrealistically high used 40 kwh prices.
Amen. Once again, here in CO, it is cheaper to buy a new Leaf than a used one, assuming the ability to claim the full $7500 Fed tax credit.
I wonder if a dealer would give you a reasonable trade in for a 40 if you moved to a plus?

Interestingly around where I live the dealers mostly have plus models now. When getting work done last Friday at my dealer they had three and all were plus models.
Might not hurt to give your dealer a call. You might be surprised. I certainly was ;)
2011 SL; 44,598 mi, 87% SOH. 2013 S; 44,840 mi, 91% SOH. 2016 S30; 29,413 mi, 99% SOH. 2018 S; 25,185 mi, SOH 92.23%. 2019 S Plus; 412 mi, 99.72% SOH
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umdkevin
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:11 pm

danrjones wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:17 pm
I wonder if a dealer would give you a reasonable trade in for a 40 if you moved to a plus?
I got 22K trade in my 40 kWh when I traded up. Net profit after tax rebate.
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DougWantsALeaf
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Fri Nov 22, 2019 6:04 am

Open the floodgates! The Leaf is headed to Nepal.

https://www.techlekh.com/nissan-leaf-pr ... -electric/
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Fri Nov 22, 2019 11:29 am

Another E Plus review;

**RANT WARNING**

Somewhere out there, there is a meme that basically goes like "If you do the same thing over and over expecting different results, you are crazy" I prefer to call it faith and loyalty. I recently had a conversation with someone I thought was very well respected in the EV community only to find out that many people come to him because they were upset at how their local dealers treated them to find out the best possible deals only to take his numbers back to their local dealers to negotiate a better price.

I have to say, I found this to be shocking. Maybe its just me but personal relationships are important to me and I am not always the best person to know because I have a tendency to cause conflict. Most of my opinions are rather polarizing.

But when it comes time to get a car, it doesn't matter how far it is so yeah, I drive by 10 dealerships to get what I need from someone I respect. Respect in the automotive sales community is not a common thing so when you get it, value it.

FYI; one is done, soon there will be others. You WILL be shocked. I guess I will only be driving past 6 dealers my next time around. ;)

**END OF RANT** You may resume your day. :)

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2011 SL; 44,598 mi, 87% SOH. 2013 S; 44,840 mi, 91% SOH. 2016 S30; 29,413 mi, 99% SOH. 2018 S; 25,185 mi, SOH 92.23%. 2019 S Plus; 412 mi, 99.72% SOH
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Fri Nov 22, 2019 12:25 pm

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Fri Nov 22, 2019 11:29 am
Another E Plus review;
...
https://daveinolywa.blogspot.com/2019/1 ... -plus.html
I'm sure you'll enjoy your new car! I think the S Plus is probably the best value car for your money right now, and you seem to have gotten a great deal. I didn't even know that the S trim also could do software updates over wi-fi, that's a great feature. I notice that your software version is one higher than mine, which has stayed the same since I bought it. I'll have to check whether it has an update, and whether that changes anything.

Off topic: I'm not sure why it is, but any time I try to comment on your blog, it just vanishes
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DaveinOlyWA
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Fri Nov 22, 2019 1:07 pm

Astros wrote:
Fri Nov 22, 2019 12:25 pm
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Fri Nov 22, 2019 11:29 am
Another E Plus review;
...
https://daveinolywa.blogspot.com/2019/1 ... -plus.html
I'm sure you'll enjoy your new car! I think the S Plus is probably the best value car for your money right now, and you seem to have gotten a great deal. I didn't even know that the S trim also could do software updates over wi-fi, that's a great feature. I notice that your software version is one higher than mine, which has stayed the same since I bought it. I'll have to check whether it has an update, and whether that changes anything.

Off topic: I'm not sure why it is, but any time I try to comment on your blog, it just vanishes
hmm, the blog comment thing is weird. I do not prescreen comments.
So you are not "Wolfy?"
2011 SL; 44,598 mi, 87% SOH. 2013 S; 44,840 mi, 91% SOH. 2016 S30; 29,413 mi, 99% SOH. 2018 S; 25,185 mi, SOH 92.23%. 2019 S Plus; 412 mi, 99.72% SOH
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Fri Nov 22, 2019 1:58 pm

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Fri Nov 22, 2019 1:07 pm
hmm, the blog comment thing is weird. I do not prescreen comments.
So you are not "Wolfy?"
No, not "Wolfy" :lol: , though it sounds like they had a similar experience with a ~500 mile trip in their Leaf.

More on-topic, I think your estimate of a ~0.2 miles/kWh efficiency hit is about right for the Plus vs 40kWh Leaf. Charging at home is pretty cheap even so, and I'd guess that the Plus costs us about $15/year more in electricity. Once our NCTC runs out, I think that will be more than made up for in reduced charging costs on trips: much cheaper at EA chargers that bill by the minute and supply >50kW, and Webasto chargers that charge a fixed fee per session. Back when I had a 30kWh Leaf I considered a "large" charging session to be one where we received more than 20kWh, but on our last trip the "large" charging sessions were over 40kWh. The Leaf Plus ends up being more efficient in time and money, if not in electrons.
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Fri Nov 22, 2019 2:26 pm

Astros wrote:
Fri Nov 22, 2019 1:58 pm
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Fri Nov 22, 2019 1:07 pm
hmm, the blog comment thing is weird. I do not prescreen comments.
So you are not "Wolfy?"
No, not "Wolfy" :lol: , though it sounds like they had a similar experience with a ~500 mile trip in their Leaf.

More on-topic, I think your estimate of a ~0.2 miles/kWh efficiency hit is about right for the Plus vs 40kWh Leaf. Charging at home is pretty cheap even so, and I'd guess that the Plus costs us about $15/year more in electricity. Once our NCTC runs out, I think that will be more than made up for in reduced charging costs on trips: much cheaper at EA chargers that bill by the minute and supply >50kW, and Webasto chargers that charge a fixed fee per session. Back when I had a 30kWh Leaf I considered a "large" charging session to be one where we received more than 20kWh, but on our last trip the "large" charging sessions were over 40kWh. The Leaf Plus ends up being more efficient in time and money, if not in electrons.
Oh yeah, most definitely. The heating comment was interesting especially if tied to a rumour started by you know who. I am guessing ambient temps were the main culprit in his experience. He didn't say how much the heat affected charging rates so will be interesting to find out.

My EA excursion yesterday I shut if off when I did to prove a point. I still averaged over 62 kw on the charge. Works out to 17 cents a minute with the subscription rates and I had more range than a new 40 kwh. (533 GIDs) But more importantly, it gave me well over 2 hours of freeway time and even that is stretching my limits. Did all that in 22 minutes. This is just a bit more than a pee/coffee stop but not enough time to eat. Those are compromises I am more than willing to make! :)
2011 SL; 44,598 mi, 87% SOH. 2013 S; 44,840 mi, 91% SOH. 2016 S30; 29,413 mi, 99% SOH. 2018 S; 25,185 mi, SOH 92.23%. 2019 S Plus; 412 mi, 99.72% SOH
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Fri Nov 22, 2019 3:47 pm

It’s funny one thing my wife likes least about the Plus is the steering wheel heater. The super hot 2013 wheel heater she used as an informal heater, so now that it’s toned down, she uses heat more often.
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Fri Nov 22, 2019 11:00 pm

Dave, how is the driver's seat comfort? Do you notice any difference in this between the S and the S Plus?
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