DaveinOlyWA
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Sat Nov 23, 2019 8:31 am

Kieran973 wrote:
Fri Nov 22, 2019 11:00 pm
Dave, how is the driver's seat comfort? Do you notice any difference in this between the S and the S Plus?
Hard to say. I am sitting on a 3" gel cushion. I did go w/o on the drive home and survived so that implies the seats are somewhat better. But I can't really see or feel a difference. It is the identical black cloth interior of my 2018 AFAICT.

Realize it took over 18 months before any real discomfort on my 40 kwh and that was after a LOT of road trips. The reality we are not built to sit for hours at a time. Eventually birthdays catch up to us and we pay the price. Another reason why stopping to charge might benefit more than just the environment. :)
2011 SL; 44,598 mi, 87% SOH. 2013 S; 44,840 mi, 91% SOH. 2016 S30; 29,413 mi, 99% SOH. 2018 S; 25,185 mi, SOH 92.23%. 2019 S Plus; 13,705 mi, 93.41% SOH
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Sat Nov 23, 2019 10:21 am

Interesting. Some reviews last spring said that the driver's seat in the Plus models has less support and feels stiffer. This seemed true to me when I test drove an S Plus, though I hadn't been in an Leafs in a year, and this was before I bought my 40 kwh SV. I really like the driver's seat in my SV.

Also, I saw on your blog that you're averaging 62 kw fast charging. Are 100 kw chargers prevalent in your area? I haven't followed this closely in the last 2-3 months, but my impression is that on the east coast 99% of the Chademo DC fast chargers are still 50 kw.
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Sat Nov 23, 2019 10:26 am

Kieran973 wrote:
Sat Nov 23, 2019 10:21 am
Interesting. Some reviews last spring said that the driver's seat in the Plus models has less support and feels stiffer. This seemed true to me when I test drove an S Plus, though I hadn't been in an Leafs in a year, and this was before I bought my 40 kwh SV. I really like the driver's seat in my SV.

Also, I saw on your blog that you're averaging 62 kw fast charging. Are 100 kw chargers prevalent in your area? I haven't followed this closely in the last 2-3 months, but my impression is that on the east coast 99% of the Chademo DC fast chargers are still 50 kw.
There is no 100 kw chademo's in my state. Its a 50 KW EA station. FYI; there is a HUGE variance on these stations from location to location. I picked the one I did simply because it has the rep of being one of the fastest in the state. I pulled 200 amps, peaked at 73.8 KW (knee 45%) so it was a significant leap in charging speed. I could have paid as little as 15 cents/kwh but as it stands, my 22 min session could have cost me 17.4 cents per kwh. That is not too bad and it gave me more range than a new 40 kwh LEAF (533 GIDs) ;)
2011 SL; 44,598 mi, 87% SOH. 2013 S; 44,840 mi, 91% SOH. 2016 S30; 29,413 mi, 99% SOH. 2018 S; 25,185 mi, SOH 92.23%. 2019 S Plus; 13,705 mi, 93.41% SOH
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Sat Nov 23, 2019 11:04 am

Oh, cool. But wait, how is your Leaf Plus pulling 73.8 kw from a 50 kw EA station? Is that just a weird anomaly, or can you do that at other 50 kw EA stations? If so, how many, roughly?
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Sat Nov 23, 2019 11:23 am

Kieran973 wrote:
Sat Nov 23, 2019 11:04 am
Oh, cool. But wait, how is your Leaf Plus pulling 73.8 kw from a 50 kw EA station? Is that just a weird anomaly, or can you do that at other 50 kw EA stations? If so, how many, roughly?
piss poor EA quality control? As mentioned; the EA stations vary VERY widely. Some won't put out more than 130 amps. Most seem to be in the 140-150 amp range. So anything above 125 amps is rated greater than 50 KW (the rating is nothing but a guideline. Due to the ramp down at high SOC, you won't see 50 KW.)

On the flipside, there are Bolters (who can pull 135 amps on EVGO) that are seeing 110 amps on some EA stations. Now this is what they report and most don't report amperage, only power so why this happens? I don't know. Could be several things but we know its not high SOC or cold batteries. It just happens.
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Sat Nov 23, 2019 2:40 pm

Interesting. I didn't know that.

How's the suspension/ride compared to the S?

And how is your cold weather (well, late fall) range without the heat pump? I have a 1 year old son so in this weather, the heated seats and steering wheel heater obviously do nothing for him.

Sorry for the back and forth. Any info is appreciated. Thanks.
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Sat Nov 23, 2019 3:53 pm

And how is your cold weather (well, late fall) range without the heat pump? I have a 1 year old son so in this weather, the heated seats and steering wheel heater obviously do nothing for him.

He should like a 12 volt heated fleece blanket. I was still commuting 42 miles RT the first year I had my first Leaf, and one of those really helped, draped over my lap and legs.
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Sat Nov 23, 2019 4:39 pm

Dave

I noticed your software version was 340. I just tried to see if an update was available for myself and it wasn’t yet my Plus is on version 339. Did you Leaf come with 340 or did it update to that?
Does Nissan list release notes anywhere for the software updates?

Separately, the EA station near my house (in Lincolnwood Illinois) aslo will charge at north of 70kW. I haven’t done a full charge with it, as 20 minutes usually more that enough, but do wish all the EA chargers would go that fast.
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Sat Nov 23, 2019 4:42 pm

Kieran973 wrote:
Sat Nov 23, 2019 2:40 pm
Interesting. I didn't know that.

How's the suspension/ride compared to the S?

And how is your cold weather (well, late fall) range without the heat pump? I have a 1 year old son so in this weather, the heated seats and steering wheel heater obviously do nothing for him.

Sorry for the back and forth. Any info is appreciated. Thanks.
Well, to be honest; I don't have any efficiency comments yet other than what was mentioned in the blog and that was only a general feeling after a week of commuting. TBT; I have been a bit... inefficient. :roll:

As far as babies go. Make sure they have a good warm hat. They are a lot tougher than you think. A heated blanket is an option but in most cases, not needed. A regular blanket will be enough.

On the SW version update; you are connected to Wi Fi when attempting update?

As far as a full charge? I wouldn't unless you absolutely feel you need that much of a charge. Mine was purely demo only since its all of 4 miles from my house.
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Re: 2019 "60 kWh" Leaf e-Plus

Sun Nov 24, 2019 5:03 pm

Just did a Leafspy check about 6 months with the car.

5289 miles
SOH 97.25 (battery was at 53F we had a warmer day today)
AHr 171.55
Hx 111.47%

Battery was at 20% SOC at reading
15 QC and 77 L2 charges

It’s been a few months since I measured SOH. My first measurement about a month and a half after I got the car was 98.9. On 9/21 I was at 97.98. So that .01 a day seems to be accurate.
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