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Re: 60 kWh LEAF Introduction Placed on HOLD

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 11:09 am
by DaveinOlyWA
**Disclaimer**

I only read the Topic Headlines and filled in the rest... I am betting I was not too far off.

Realize at this point the ONLY delay is the intro of the new eLEAF, not the actual production (at least for now)

This is nothing but a thinly disguised ploy to keep Ghosn in the headlines a bit longer.

https://daveinolywa.blogspot.com/2018/1 ... r-was.html

Re: 60 kWh LEAF Introduction Placed on HOLD

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 1:34 pm
by OrientExpress
Dave, no offense, but your hypothesis is pretty far off.

The reasoning about the delay is the exact opposite of trying to ride the coattails of the Ghosn scandal, if the announcement would have gone on as planned last Wednesday, all of its air sucked out because of the scandal. They wanted to talk about their EV plans, (which are solid) and not what the scandal means to their commitment to BEVs (which is also solid.)

The global ZEB group is going to let things cool down and wait until January. Every Nissan person I have talked to in the last week, were blindsided by what has happened, but are all business as usual.

Re: 60 kWh LEAF Introduction Placed on HOLD

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 1:41 pm
by DaveinOlyWA
OrientExpress wrote:Dave, no offense, but your hypothesis is pretty far off.

The reasoning about the delay is the exact opposite of trying to ride the coattails of the Ghosn scandal, if the announcement would have gone on as planned last Wednesday, all of its air sucked out because of the scandal. They wanted to talk about their EV plans, (which are solid) and not what the scandal means to their commitment to BEVs (which is also solid.)

The global ZEB group is going to let things cool down and wait until January. Every Nissan person I have talked to in the last week, were blindsided by what has happened, but are all business as usual.
IOW, Nissan has spent too much money to back out now. Yeah, well that is obvious.

So guessing you don't buy into the ideology of the best way to lessen the impact of bad news is good news?

Re: 60 kWh LEAF Introduction Placed on HOLD

Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 2:00 pm
by OrientExpress
For this situation the 60Kw LEAF is totally irrelevant.

This situation has escalated that French President Macron and Japanese Prime Minister Sinzo are hashing this out.

Re: 60 kWh LEAF Introduction Placed on HOLD

Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 8:04 am
by EVDRIVER
OrientExpress wrote:Nissan is quite content with their current pricing strategy. One of their issues is that they are battery supply constrained world-wide, and are putting more emphasis on sales in Europe and Asia where their gross margins are higher and cars sell for list with no haggling. They are selling all the cars they make and don't see any gain in discounting.
I meant the new cars that have yet to come out. Also they are still relying heavily on credits.

Re: 60 kWh LEAF Introduction Placed on HOLD

Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:31 am
by LKK
I thought the announcement of a delay curious. As Nissan is close to their tax credit phase out, too long of a delay will result in this model not qualifying for the full tax credit. This is the same issue Tesla is facing, but they are selling Model 3s like crazy.

Re: 60 kWh LEAF Introduction Placed on HOLD

Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:51 am
by EVDRIVER
LKK wrote:I thought the announcement of a delay curious. As Nissan is close to their tax credit phase out, too long of a delay will result in this model not qualifying for the full tax credit. This is the same issue Tesla is facing, but they are selling Model 3s like crazy.
A Tesla is not as price sensitive as a LEAF. IMO the LEAF is very reliant on credits.

Re: 60 kWh LEAF Introduction Placed on HOLD

Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:03 am
by Baltneu
OrientExpress wrote:The 60kWh version will start hitting dealers in California by the end of march, early April. Supply will be constrained at first mainly because of the ramping of the new battery by the suppliers. Don't expect any discounts, but do expect high lease costs on this vehicle.
How do you know this to be true? We know from press reports that the 60kwh version has been postponed. How do you know it starts up end of March/April ?

Re: 60 kWh LEAF Introduction Placed on HOLD

Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:33 am
by WetEV
Baltneu wrote:
OrientExpress wrote:The 60kWh version will start hitting dealers in California by the end of march, early April. Supply will be constrained at first mainly because of the ramping of the new battery by the suppliers. Don't expect any discounts, but do expect high lease costs on this vehicle.
How do you know this to be true? We know from press reports that the 60kwh version has been postponed. How do you know it starts up end of March/April ?
The announcement has been postponed.

I doubt if production planning has changed the starting date: it is just too expensive to delay unless there is some reason why it can't be done.

Re: 60 kWh LEAF Introduction Placed on HOLD

Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:55 am
by SageBrush
LKK wrote:I thought the announcement of a delay curious. As Nissan is close to their tax credit phase out, too long of a delay will result in this model not qualifying for the full tax credit.
It does not work that way