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Reddit: Nissan Leaf e+ revealed with longer range at 2019 CES

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 6:56 pm
by Leaf15
https://www.autoblog.com/2019/01/08/nis ... to00000015
https://electrek.co/2019/01/08/nissan-leaf-plus-62kwh/

Range 226 miles
62 kWh battery pack
160 kW electric motor makes 201 horsepower and 250 pound-feet of torque
70 kW charging system (135 miles of range in 30 minutes)
Top Speed 105 mph

About a $6,600 increase over the normal Leaf. Picture shows badge on hatch (SL Plus)

Leaf e+ doesn't look a whole lot different than the regular Leaf
Updated infotainment system gets updated with a larger 8-inch screen and new software

Leaf e+ will be rolling into dealerships come spring 2019

Unfortunately, this improved battery pack still uses the old air cooling system, not the liquid cooling many other manufacturers have utilized to maintain temperatures.

Not sure how it could compete with Kona, Niro and Bolt LT, the price is similar compared to better engineered EVs. May be it is going to be sold in volumes? unless Kona and Niro would be sold as compliance cars in limited quantities. Good news - it is coming soon...

Guessometer shows 283 Miles range on 97% SOC battery on one of the pictures and 6 miles total on odometer.

Found strange statement from Nissan’s Alliance Global Director of Research about the new battery pack. Some details: "Nissan’s own motor and motor controller also play a big part in acceleration and Nissan brings a ton of its variable speed transmission work into play here." ???

Re: Reddit: Nissan Leaf e+ revealed with longer range at 2019 CES

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:01 pm
by theothertom
Hmmmm...70 Kw charging system but an air cooled battery?

Re: Reddit: Nissan Leaf e+ revealed with longer range at 2019 CES

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:06 pm
by DarthPuppy
theothertom wrote:Hmmmm...70 Kw charging system but an air cooled battery?
Perhaps this will work well in Canada?

Re: Reddit: Nissan Leaf e+ revealed with longer range at 2019 CES

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:14 pm
by DarthPuppy
If the base range works and you don't frequently need fast charging or for the charging to be reliably fast, I suppose this will work quite well actually. It finally could work for my situation, except it is a year too late so now I have a Clarity. The extra price load definitely hurts. I guess this is finally the car that Nissan said they would beat the Bolt with. How long has the Bolt been out now?

Re: Reddit: Nissan Leaf e+ revealed with longer range at 2019 CES

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:55 am
by cwerdna
DarthPuppy wrote: I guess this is finally the car that Nissan said they would beat the Bolt with. How long has the Bolt been out now?
Yeah, it sucks that Nissan's so late with a competitor to the Bolt. Bolt's been out since Dec 2016.

However, AFAIK, the Bolt never got a RHD version (AFAIK) so that rules out a ton of countries. It was the Opel Ampera-E for Europe but GM sold off their European operations to PSA Groupe which includes Opel and Vauxhall (UK). So, now an external company would need to buy vehicles from GM. Not sure how many of those Ampera-Es have been sold in Europe since that switch and even before. I don't see it at https://cleantechnica.com/2018/12/03/ni ... -ev-sales/.

Wouldn't surprise me if Bolt's worldwide sales are puny and if it's only available in the countries at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet ... _and_sales, which is nothing in terms of sales #s for GM.

Re: Reddit: Nissan Leaf e+ revealed with longer range at 2019 CES

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:29 am
by LeftieBiker
This topic is about the third one on this. And other sources put HP at 214.

Re: Reddit: Nissan Leaf e+ revealed with longer range at 2019 CES

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:56 am
by TexasLeaf
I can’t say that I don’t want the improved range and power of the e+ but my 2018 SL with ProPilot is “good enough” for what I use it for. I think I will save my money and hold out for an EV with real Class III towing to replace my SUV and my wife’s PHEV. I may end up keeping my current Leaf a very, very long time.

Re: Reddit: Nissan Leaf e+ revealed with longer range at 2019 CES

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:10 pm
by arnis
Bigger pack means driving has lower C-rate (less heat generation when travelling at highway speed).
50% bigger pack with just ~30% faster charging means less heat buildup while charging due to lower C-rate.
Even if Nissan didn't have active cooling, this version will have less rapidgate.

I actually consider KISS might work out one day very well, not just in Canada :geek:

Re: Reddit: Nissan Leaf e+ revealed with longer range at 2019 CES

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:11 pm
by DarthPuppy
Interesting point regarding the +50% battery vs. +30% charge rate meaning less heat generation when charging and therefore less degradation. I didn't know that was well correlated. But it does make sense to me (I'm not an engineer or know much about batteries/charging.) Hopefully that is the case. I really liked the 2018 Leaf when I test drove it but the range was a bit too short for my needs, especially allowing for degradation. If the degradation on this is indeed improved, then this would be quite a competitive option.

Re: Reddit: Nissan Leaf e+ revealed with longer range at 2019 CES

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:04 pm
by LeftieBiker
That depends on how much of the typical degradation will occur from fast-charging a hot pack, and how much comes from just ambient temps. I'd like to think it's the former, but having lost 5.5% in six months, with few QCs and none with the pack actually hot, I'm unconvinced...