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Re: Potential owner of a Leaf - checking in to verify some i

Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:56 am
by Reddy
Welcome. Enjoy a few hours perusing the old threads and learn everything you need right here. For example, you should go to http://www.plugshare.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and discover that there are ZERO quick charging stations in MN (except Tesla SC's which the Leaf and other EVs cannot utilize). Sorry. Also, even though I bought my 2011, if I were in the market today I would lease for 2 yr. The deals are so good and there is a good possibility of major changes in the 2016/2017 model year. Who knows what the future will bring, but if the past is any guide, EV range improvements will be slow arriving, as will the quick charging stations.

Re: Potential owner of a Leaf - checking in to verify some i

Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:58 am
by theds
I don't see any DCFC in the Twin Cities area listed on plugshare.com.
Peace wrote:Hi Leftiebiker -
Actually I can't say i'm positive. One of my co-workers leased a Leaf SV earlier 2014 and said that the Nissan she leased from have it (it's one of those that costs around $40K to install, so I'm guessing that's Level 3 Fast charge?) then I spoke to another N. dealership and the salesguy said they have a "fast charge". So, I assumed that the rest of the other Nissan dealerships in town have it too (my assumption totally, as i didn't have first hand knowledge about this - i do know that there is a total of 6 big N. dealerships in the TC). The Twin Cities are the biggest cities in the State and Saint Paul is MN's capital, so we have access to things that small towns in the state don't.

Hi Stoaty and others: What kinds of things are we expecting to hear from the upcoming Nissan announcement regarding the '15?? I'd hate to miss out on the current $3.5K rebate + 0% financing!
thanks much,
Peace

Re: Potential owner of a Leaf - checking in to verify some i

Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:45 am
by Peace
ah, my mistake. I guess I don't know what i'm talking about some of the times (or alot of the times, lol) regarding EVs (i'm super new on this subject). perhaps even the Nissan sales reps didn't know very much. I only talked to one so far and he didn't know some of the stuff I learned from this forum when I asked him clarification questions :)

thanks for the link. I'll book mark it and use it as my reference.
P.

Re: Potential owner of a Leaf - checking in to verify some i

Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:03 pm
by MikeinDenver
Peace wrote:ah, my mistake. I guess I don't know what i'm talking about some of the times (or alot of the times, lol) regarding EVs (i'm super new on this subject). perhaps even the Nissan sales reps didn't know very much. I only talked to one so far and he didn't know some of the stuff I learned from this forum when I asked him clarification questions :)

thanks for the link. I'll book mark it and use it as my reference.
P.
You will definitely find more factual based information on here than from a salesperson. The person may have misspoke as well. A lot of people don't know the difference between L2 6.6Kwh chargers and the DC quick chargers. A good 6.6Kwh charger charges at a pretty good clip. So not having a quick charger in the area shouldn't be a huge deterrent.

Re: Potential owner of a Leaf - checking in to verify some i

Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:07 pm
by LeftieBiker
A good 6.6Kwh charger charges at a pretty good clip. So not having a quick charger in the area shouldn't be a huge deterrent
I'm doing fine on L-1 120 volt charging, although I will be putting in a 20 amp L-2 station so I can take more than one trip in one day, if necessary. DCFC is really only necessary for those who are exceeding the Leaf's 'comfort zone', range-wise. And lots of QC use will almost certainly degrade the battery pack faster...

Re: Potential owner of a Leaf - checking in to verify some i

Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:24 pm
by TimLee
Peace wrote:Hello everyone -

this is Peace here from MN, ... We fit the profile of owner versus leasee (buy vs own the Leaf had me stumped for a while as the lease deals seem so good right now doubled with the unknown factor regarding what happens to these generation leafs batteries 5-7 years from now) - we've always bought new cars and then drive them until the wheels fall off (and i hate having car payments forever).
...
You've received pretty complete and accurate response so far.
Your buy it and drive it till the wheels fall off has been a good cost effective vehicle ownership approach. Buying 2 to 3 year old coming off lease has been better but many are willing to pay for that brand new car experience.

But the LEAF is radically different.
The very expensive battery has rapid capacity degradation.
A three to four year old LEAF is nominally a 40 to 60 mile range vehicle, and a 30 to 35 mile range vehicle in really cold weather if you like heat. The SV and SL with heat pump is better down to around 5 to 10F.
Nissan has been and continues to be disingenuous.
A large % of LEAFs will be disposable at 60,000 to 80,000 miles, six to eight years.

Now I still love the 2011 LEAF that I own, and a lot more than the two vehicles I have owned in my life that I loved.
It will work well for me for another three to five years at 7,000 miles per year and a 36 mile round trip to downtown. Dealer there has DC quick charge.
Knowing what I know now though I don't think I can recommend purchasing one today.
With my low miles per year leasing would not have been cost effective then or now.
Purchasing did give me the marvelous electric driving experience and I do not regret it.
But I would not purchase today.
I would at least want the new more heat resistant battery and information from Nissan on some means and the cost of battery replacement.

Re: Potential owner of a Leaf - checking in to verify some i

Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 4:22 pm
by theds
But again, plugshare.com may not be entirely accurate and up to date either. Better to verify yourself.

The $40k installation cost does sounds like it is for a DCFC charger. A Level 2 EVSE definitely doesn't cost that much.
Peace wrote:ah, my mistake. I guess I don't know what i'm talking about some of the times (or alot of the times, lol) regarding EVs (i'm super new on this subject). perhaps even the Nissan sales reps didn't know very much. I only talked to one so far and he didn't know some of the stuff I learned from this forum when I asked him clarification questions :)

thanks for the link. I'll book mark it and use it as my reference.
P.

Re: Potential owner of a Leaf - checking in to verify some i

Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:09 pm
by Peace
thank you TimLee and Theds for your comments. I'm sort of leaning towards leasing right now as well.
Oh, that $40k install station could've been mis information on my part or my co-worker's. At any rate, I think Level 2 charge is plenty enough for my need.
Peace