alozzy
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Re: Leaf or Prius?

Tue May 30, 2017 11:38 am

Full disclosure, I purchased from Paramount NW and made sure that it was a PNW Leaf before buying. As you mentioned, Carfax lists the origin and Peter @ Paramount confirmed it. I appreciated doing business with a dealer who was knowledgeable about the Leaf, they even provided a Leaf Spy screenshot and let me do an extended test drive.

I live in Vancouver, BC so for me it was baptism by fire getting the Leaf home from Seattle. Given the OP's mindset, I don't think he would purchase from Paramount anyways, as he would have to drive the Leaf home to Portland. For me, it was well worth it as i saved about $6K CA buying from Seattle and importing the Leaf to Canada.

The OP has lots of local options anyways (albeit at a higher price point than Paramount):

https://goo.gl/TUzIeX

As I said before though, he shouldn't buy a Leaf if he's not prepared to wait to charge on longer trips. As any Leaf owner knows, patience is required if you want to drive beyond the limited range - even if you have a CHADEMO port for DCQC. I infrequently do longer trips and I'm totally fine with having to stop to charge every hour (at high speeds), as long as there is a reasonably priced DCQC option en route. We make the trip to Whistler and I'm hoping to try the trip to the Okanagan (BC) in the near future, as there are DCQC points at regular intervals between Vancouver and Kelowna, BC. It's all about your mindset, I find it fun!
Vancouver, CA owner of a 2013 Ocean Blue SV + QC, purchased 01/2017 in WA
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alozzy
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Re: Leaf or Prius?

Tue May 30, 2017 11:40 am

FYI, the original sales sticker also shows the dealership where the Leaf was first sold:

http://cpo.nissanusa.com/nna/?VIN
Vancouver, CA owner of a 2013 Ocean Blue SV + QC, purchased 01/2017 in WA
Zencar 12/20/24/30A L1/L2 portable EVSE
1-1/4" Curt #11396 hitch
After market, DIY LED DRLs
LeafSpy Pro + Konnwei KW902 ELM327 BT OBDII dongle
Loving my first BEV :D

SageBrush
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Re: Leaf or Prius?

Tue May 30, 2017 11:52 am

CarFAx is a company product;
The generic term is vehicle history report

I needed one for tax purposes and found it for free via a google search
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/2018: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
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LeftieBiker
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Re: Leaf or Prius?

Tue May 30, 2017 12:26 pm

People are talking about Carfax in particular because it gives manufacture date and where the vehicle was driven. Does the generic version give that info?
Scarlet Ember 2018 Leaf SL W/ Pro Pilot
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ByeFO
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Re: Leaf or Prius?

Tue May 30, 2017 2:17 pm

TreeStar wrote:I've been researching the 2017 versions of these cars quite a bit lately. The Leaf has absolutely amazing rebates right now. To the tune of $15,000+. Anyone know why that is?
How much of that figure is from Nissan? Maybe the incentives are regional. Can you say where you are located?

I looked at Nissan USA for my area and the best I could do from Nissan was $4,000 and that is if it is financed through NMAC (Nissan financed).
2013 (4/2013) Pearl White SV LED/QC package
6/13/17: 22,852mi; AHr= 54.13; SOH= 82%
6/19/18: 39,934mi; AHr= 51.60; SOH= 69.5%

SageBrush
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Re: Leaf or Prius?

Tue May 30, 2017 3:37 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:People are talking about Carfax in particular because it gives manufacture date and where the vehicle was driven. Does the generic version give that info?
All the DMV registrations are listed
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/2018: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
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2018 Tesla Model 3 LR, Delivered 6/2018

LeftieBiker
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Re: Leaf or Prius?

Tue May 30, 2017 5:26 pm

SageBrush wrote:
LeftieBiker wrote:People are talking about Carfax in particular because it gives manufacture date and where the vehicle was driven. Does the generic version give that info?
All the DMV registrations are listed
That doesn't mean the date of manufacture is listed.
Scarlet Ember 2018 Leaf SL W/ Pro Pilot
2009 Vectrix VX-1 W/18 Leaf modules, & 3 EZIP E-bicycles.
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GerryAZ
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Re: Leaf or Prius?

Tue May 30, 2017 6:17 pm

TreeStar,

A few thoughts: I suggest that you use 3 miles per kWh for consumption estimates from the wall unless your driving will be mostly city streets at low speed. I looked at the link you posted for Portland General Electric and was surprised how high their rates are. It looks like you might save more with time of use rates, depending upon lifestyle. I recommend against a large down payment on a lease because you lose that money if the car is totaled. Since the total payments on the lease would be the same, put minimum down and save the remainder (cash you would have put down) to spend toward the larger monthly payments.

Battery warranties in USA are: 8 years/100,000 miles against defects for all LEAFs to date, 5 years/60,000 miles capacity will not drop below 9 bars (2013 and later 24 kWh batteries), and 8 years/100,000 miles capacity will not drop below 9 bars (2016 and later 30 kWh batteries).
Gerry
Silver LEAF 2011 SL rear ended (totaled) by in-attentive driver 1/4/2015 at 50,422 miles
Silver LEAF 2015 SL purchased 2/7/2015; traded 8/10/2019 at 82,436 miles
White LEAF 2019 SL+ purchased 8/10/2019

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Re: Leaf or Prius?

Tue May 30, 2017 7:08 pm

GerryAZ wrote:5 years/60,000 miles capacity will not drop below 9 bars (2013 and later 24 kWh batteries), and 8 years/100,000 miles capacity will not drop below 9 bars (2016 and later 30 kWh batteries).
So I have 15,000 miles to lose 4 bars to get a free battery that would have 12 bars just like the one I have now.

Living in a cool climate makes all the difference.
2013 SL SOLD :cry:
2013 Toyota Avalon Hybrid CURRENT

TreeStar
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Re: Leaf or Prius?

Tue May 30, 2017 9:33 pm

I realize the change in mindset required for such a car. I did a trip to the coast recently and "pretended" I only had 90 mile range (based on probably a more accurate number than Nissan/EPA). I would have had no issues on this trip. I didn't put it in my mind to be driving the older one.

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