TreeStar
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Re: Leaf or Prius?

Sat Jun 03, 2017 9:51 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
I don't get it - why lease when you can own basically the same car after 2 years of the same payments and enjoy it from then on for next to nothing per month ($20 for electricity + insurance).
That's basically the same car with a brand new warranty, a 25% larger battery that should have as much range after five years as a good 2013 has now, and a longer battery warranty. I wouldn't spend more than $7k for a 2013 now, and I'd consider leasing a 2017 SV with premium if it were $200 a month, with a $9-10k residual. Some of us want peace of mind as much as we want a bargain.
It does sound good to own a car after two years... What do you think. That extra $10k as a good idea or not?

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Re: Leaf or Prius?

Sat Jun 03, 2017 10:05 pm

It's a good idea if you want to own a nice new EV, and your Summer range needs won't exceed 80 miles in 5 years. Leasing and then buying a discounted Leaf is, AFAIK, the best EV bargain available, for purchasing if you don't qualify for the full Federal tax credit . A couple of things you need to know about a new Leaf, though:

* The headlights, like those on all Leafs, have decent low beams and TERRIBLE high beams. There are LED aftermarket replacements available, but none of those are perfect. If I were to buy a 2017, I'd install a fanless LED bulb set ASAP.

* No 80% charge option. It's not hard to figure out how much charge your EVSE will add per hour, and to time charges to end around 80% (unless you need more) but it's a PITA compared with the 2011-2013 80% charge options. You can also, for a couple of hundred more than a typical L-2 charging station, get one that can be started and stopped remotely, via WiFi.

* The Leaf S still uses resistance-only heating. Depending on your climate, that may matter. An un-optioned SV on clearance isn't usually much more than a S with Charge Package, and you get the heatpump, Nissan Connect remote access to climate control and charging, and Nav.
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Re: Leaf or Prius?

Sat Jun 03, 2017 10:17 pm

To me, a car is just a box on wheels that gets me from point A to point B, cheaply and reliably, for a "reasonable" number of years. Don't get me wrong - I really enjoy driving my Leaf, but I enjoy the low cost of ownership and super cheap operating costs even more. I don't get emotionally tied to cars.

As LeftieBiker said:
That's basically the same car with a brand new warranty, a 25% larger battery that should have as much range after five years as a good 2013 has now, and a longer battery warranty
Which is all true, but you need to decide for yourself whether that's worth another $10K to you or not. You mentioned your commute isn't very long so the larger battery may be less of a concern for you. The warranty is nice peace of mind, but living in OR you don't have much to worry about.

My Leaf gives me "good enough" range and if I get 3 decent years of use out of it then I'll be happy as the loan will be paid off at that point...

Anything beyond 3 years is just a bonus, but I fully expect to get at least 5 years of serviceable use from it as I live in Vancouver, CA where the climate is mild too. Also, I expect a market will arise soon for battery pack rebuilds for less than the $5,500 that Nissan charges. If so, then swapping the pack would give me several more years of use, if I want it.

My next car will probably be a used Bolt, a used 2018 Leaf, or some other longer range EV, but I'm content to wait for that for as long as my 2013 SV lasts.
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Re: Leaf or Prius?

Sun Jun 04, 2017 3:56 am

TreeStar wrote: So I can lease for 2 years then finance $11,395 for the remainder of the car.
The car may not be even worth $11,395 after 2 years. If that's the case and you still want a Leaf, turn it in and buy one w/the equipment level you desire on the used market. That's what I did.

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Re: Leaf or Prius?

Sun Jun 04, 2017 4:56 am

alozzy wrote:To me, a car is just a box on wheels that gets me from point A to point B, cheaply and reliably, for a "reasonable" number of years. Don't get me wrong - I really enjoy driving my Leaf, but I enjoy the low cost of ownership and super cheap operating costs even more. I don't get emotionally tied to cars.

As LeftieBiker said:
That's basically the same car with a brand new warranty, a 25% larger battery that should have as much range after five years as a good 2013 has now, and a longer battery warranty
Which is all true, but you need to decide for yourself whether that's worth another $10K to you or not. You mentioned your commute isn't very long so the larger battery may be less of a concern for you. The warranty is nice peace of mind, but living in OR you don't have much to worry about.

My Leaf gives me "good enough" range and if I get 3 decent years of use out of it then I'll be happy as the loan will be paid off at that point...

Anything beyond 3 years is just a bonus, but I fully expect to get at least 5 years of serviceable use from it as I live in Vancouver, CA where the climate is mild too. Also, I expect a market will arise soon for battery pack rebuilds for less than the $5,500 that Nissan charges. If so, then swapping the pack would give me several more years of use, if I want it.

My next car will probably be a used Bolt, a used 2018 Leaf, or some other longer range EV, but I'm content to wait for that for as long as my 2013 SV lasts.
I second that!

If battery packs get cheap and I can keep driving my 2013 Leaf until the body starts rusting away and the interior starts falling apart some several decades later I will do that. But if a used longer range EV pops up as an economic option I'll get one of those instead. I'm not going to waste my money buying a new car or getting a lease.

But I encourage you (OP) to do so so that there'll be more cheap used car options for me in the future. :mrgreen:
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Re: Leaf or Prius?

Sun Jun 04, 2017 10:59 am

cwerdna wrote:
TreeStar wrote: So I can lease for 2 years then finance $11,395 for the remainder of the car.
The car may not be even worth $11,395 after 2 years. If that's the case and you still want a Leaf, turn it in and buy one w/the equipment level you desire on the used market. That's what I did.
Also very possible that Nissan will offer a discount below residual for a buyout when the time comes. That has been the usual practice up til now.
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Re: Leaf or Prius?

Sun Jun 04, 2017 2:19 pm

I am in Alozzy's situation and reasoned the same:

Fair price for 3 years of use;
Excellent deal if my purchase lasts longer.
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Re: Leaf or Prius?

Sun Jun 04, 2017 5:24 pm

I'm generally more of the "Buy it new and drive it for 10+ years" camp, but in the case of EVs this may not be the best approach. I do expect my next EV to be my last, though, maybe unless it ends up being a Bolt, because of the terrible lease offers. As long as a current (or 2018) Leaf more than meets the prospective owners' needs for now and the foreseeable future, though, it still makes sense for me to lease and then buy one.
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TreeStar
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Re: Leaf or Prius?

Mon Jun 05, 2017 12:53 pm

I'm going back on the buying a 2013 model with cash now.

It just seems like a bit of a gamble on how these cars might hold up, but it's seeming they are fairly reliable.

All the research I've done has been on the 2017 models. I don't know much on the older ones. I'll likely make a post about that. The on board faster charger, heat pump, etc... few things like that I'm not sure on.
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Re: Leaf or Prius?

Mon Jun 05, 2017 1:22 pm

This post, and the other post that I linked to within that post, will get you started:

http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... 03#p491659

Given that you are in OR, you have plenty of L3 charging options so I would recommend you get a Leaf with the QC CHADEMO port. Particularly if you ever go out to the coast.

The SV trim also likely makes sense for you, as the heat pump should gain you some extra miles during winter.
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