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Re: Our search for a 2015-16 Leaf.

Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:14 am

Congrats! I hope you like it as much as I enjoy mine.

I bought my Leaf new (first new car purchase ever....). I had test driven one with my wife a year or two before but didn't pull the trigger. Then when our local electric company offered insane rebates in 2017, I drove down to the dealer, told them I wanted a Leaf and bought the first one I saw on the lot since it checked all the boxes I had decided on (color, trim level, options). Went in and paid them and picked it up the next day. Probably took less than 60 minutes total. I've had for about 18 months now and just love it.

I charge with free L2 at work and have charged with L1 at home a few times. I'm planning to switch over to L2 at home since I need to up my electrical usage so I can install solar panels. Our local utility restricts grid-tie systems to 120% of average use so I want to add the car usage to my bill before doing the solar install.

I wouldn't worry about the 12V battery until it starts to give you trouble. You can replace it proactively if you want but I think the charging issues that affected some models were fixed by the 2015 model year. Every year is a little different in details so ask or search here to be sure but the load on the 12V battery is pretty low and unless it is subject to very high temperatures (eg Phoenix) they seem to last a long time in the Leaf.

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Re: Our search for a 2015-16 Leaf.

Thu Jan 03, 2019 2:33 pm

I'm just a little concerned about how early in 2014 this "2015" Leaf was built, but I do seem to recall that 2014 production ended early. Hopefully it does have the Lizard pack. If not, a good "Wolf" pack with good stats should hold up well too, if not kept too hot.
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Nords
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Re: Our search for a 2015-16 Leaf.

Sat Jan 19, 2019 8:53 pm

We have a couple weeks (and a couple hundred miles) of experience.

The registration & title transfer was only $10 but when the old registration expires in July then we'll have to pay $340 annually. That's still $40 cheaper than our Prius. The Honolulu County and Hawaii state laws permit 2.5 hours of free parking and we get to use the HOV lane.

I've driven the same Oahu roads for 30 years, but driving them in the Leaf is different than a Gen II Prius. I've optimized my driving for high MPG with gentle acceleration. I know where to let a Prius coast, where to accelerate, and where to touch the brakes. It's all become muscle memory.

But with the Leaf in ECO mode (a good thing around here), I'm re-learning those habits. I can use the dashboard display to feather the accelerator and manually let the Leaf coast, and the Leaf's regenerative braking helps the cruise control maintain speed going downhill as well as uphill. (Not as much coasting downhill as the Prius.) The Leaf decelerates (regenerates) more than the Prius, so I have to get closer to intersections or turns before I take my foot off the accelerator to slow down. I hardly ever use the brake.

I’m pleasantly surprised that the Leaf displays my iPod's info on the dashboard in a presbyopian-friendly font. No more scrabbling for reading glasses to squint at the iPod's 1”x1” display.

I really enjoy driving it, but I'm not going to get to do that very often. It's definitely my spouse’s car. (When our daughter & son-in-law were visiting, it somehow became our daughter’s car.) Luckily it’s plenty roomy in the passenger & back seats.

Spouse has informed me that our Leaf is now “the clean car” and will not be subjected to seawater, sand, or surf wax. I'm apparently never going to be allowed to load a longboard in it, either, so that cargo question has been rendered moot. I’ve moved the roof rack to our 2005 Prius, which only has about 54K miles and will probably give us a few more years.

I've noticed that when I press or release the Leaf’s accelerator I can hear the faint "click" from the axle. It’s barely audible, and I'm only hearing it because the rest of the car is so quiet.
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=26720
Please let me know if there’s a copy of the NTB 12-055 TSB around here or where I can find one. I’m not in any particular hurry (right?) and the car’s almost certainly out of its 3-year/36K warranty, so I could have a dealer take a look at it this year or next.

The Leaf has more hauling volume than our Prius, but I’m a little skeptical about driving it without a spare tire. We have the 12v air pump with its can of "flat tire sealant", and the sealant expired in March of 2018. Is it worth buying a new can of sealant? Or is it better to buy a spare wheel/tire? (And maybe a jack, and a wheel nut wrench?) 3 out of our 4 flat tires in the last decade have happened in our garage (slow leaks from road debris). We could just use our Prius jack on the Leaf, put the flat in the Prius, and head for the tire shop. If it happened on the road it’d be mightily annoying, but it’s only a 30x40-mile island.

The Leaf owner's manual seems to assume that we've installed a L2 240v charging system on the garage wall, and it discourages L1 110v charging. We're fine with L1 charging but I'd still like to understand the engineering issues behind the L1 vs L2 debate. I'm tempted to attach a 240v adapter plug on the Leaf's OEM 110v charger and stick it into the 240v receptacle behind our (rarely used) electric dryer.

I’m not trying to be a cheapskate-- I just don’t want to be responsible for still yet even more redundant infrastructure in our house. Is it worth buying an L2 EVSE? Any other benefits other than the faster charge, which we don’t need? Is the L2 somehow better for battery longevity? Do the aftermarket L2 EVSE charging systems have some convenience feature (charge timers? time-of-day metering?) which we "can't live without"?

I’ve verified (the hard way) that our Bosch OBDII code reader doesn’t connect to LeafSpy with our iOS devices. LeafSpy came right up with the LELink2. Thanks for all the threads and documentation on that.

On the “Battery Cells” first screen, the cells all seem to be within a mV of each other. It reported “AHr=54.69”, SOH of 88.06% after 3.5 years, and Hx of 80.21%. It shows nine DC charges and 620 L1/L2 charges (since August 2014).

The temperature graph (after the car sat in the garage overnight) shows all three sensors around 75-76 degrees. I’ll take another look at them after finishing a charge.

SOC on the third “Table” screen is 69.6% (same as the dashboard) and 175 GIDs (62.3%) with 13.6 Kwh remaining.

The code scan was interesting but not scary. DTCs include “U1000 0008 BCM CAN Comm Circuit” and I found this thread:
viewtopic.php?t=25335
with this manual reference:
http://www.nicoclub.com/manuals/Leaf/20 ... AF/BCS.pdf
There’s also
“B29A0 2408 Charger N/CHG Port Engage Err VC-95”
and
“B29C1 2308 Charger EVSE VC-98”
with these threads:
viewtopic.php?f=30&t=25812&p=526973&hil ... 95#p526973
viewtopic.php?f=30&t=26179&p=532376&hil ... 98#p532376

I’m not sure what “2408” or “2308” mean but the issues seem to be possible dirt or poor insulation. The car’s charging fine on L1 and I haven’t used an EVSE yet.

Best of all, LeafSpy helped me shut off the door auto-lock feature and the backup beep.

After extensive discussions, we gave away our dying 2006 Prius. A local family understands the issues with the dashboard display and the rest of the car's failing parts. They're happy to live with it or to fix it on their own. I gave them every opportunity to change their minds and say "No thanks", but their gearhead friend says there's really no downside for them. They've already transferred the title & registration.

I'm still figuring out how many more solar panels we'll need for our photovoltaic array. We've only charged the Leaf's battery a few times in the last week. We'll get a better feel for our driving habits during the next month but I'm guessing that I'll need at least 400 more watts.

This has still been our fastest & easiest vehicle transaction in nearly 40 years.
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LeftieBiker
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Re: Our search for a 2015-16 Leaf.

Sat Jan 19, 2019 9:56 pm

L-1 charging is fine as long as it meets your needs and the wiring is sound and not otherwise loaded. An occasional charge to 100% in cool temps will equalize the pack just as well as an L-2 charge to 100%. I'll try to fix your links to make them clickable.
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golfcart
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Re: Our search for a 2015-16 Leaf.

Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:04 am

Nords wrote:
We bought a 2015 Leaf S yesterday, with 13,298 miles. I think we were one of the first people to contact the seller.
Congrats on the find, it should be a good car for your situation. Given the short travel distances, tight parking, and generally bad traffic on the island I think the Leaf is a great car for Oahu (especially in town).

Good call on the panels, with HECO charging almost 30c/kWh they are a no-brainer out there. My mother-in-law installed an array on her house on Oahu has been a net producer for almost a decade now. Between the federal/state incentives and the high electricity prices I think she calculated her payback period as <3 years since she got in when net metering was still allowed.

The only real advice I can give is try to park it in as cool a place as possible (that tropical sun is strong) and enjoy the clean, quiet, low-maintenance experience. Also, are you familiar with B-mode? You basically put the car into "drive" twice and it engages more aggressive regen without giving up the throttle response like you do with ECO mode. I think it would be good for H1 traffic or maintaining speed coming down the Pali.

I'd also advise against just sticking an adapter on your OEM EVSE (I think that's what you meant) and plugging it into a 240 outlet, you really need an EVSE that is designed for that. I can't answer whether L2 charging is worth it for you or not without knowing your habits but it is nice to be able to charge the car faster that 4 miles of range per hour. I upgraded my OEM unit through EVSE upgrade and am very happy with it. If you already have a 240V plug available it's a great option and qualifies for a 30% federal tax payback on the cost.
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Re: Our search for a 2015-16 Leaf.

Sun Jan 20, 2019 8:22 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:L-1 charging is fine as long as it meets your needs and the wiring is sound and not otherwise loaded. An occasional charge to 100% in cool temps will equalize the pack just as well as an L-2 charge to 100%. I'll try to fix your links to make them clickable.
In my opinion l1 charging is not fine. Even at 16A l2v is superior. An enhanced Leal can charges at 27.5A from at least a 40A circuit. The NEC requires a circuit to be derrated to 80% for an EVSE. That means a 30A circuit does not pass go.
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Re: Our search for a 2015-16 Leaf.

Sun Jan 20, 2019 9:39 pm

I use L1 charging only for my Leaf and it's fine, as long as you don't want to make 2 long trips in the same day.

But isn't level 2 charging more efficient? I seem to recall that it was, but not how much. If so, if the owner has expensive electricity or PV electricity, the efficiency may matter.
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Re: Our search for a 2015-16 Leaf.

Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:41 pm

GlennD wrote:
LeftieBiker wrote:L-1 charging is fine as long as it meets your needs and the wiring is sound and not otherwise loaded. An occasional charge to 100% in cool temps will equalize the pack just as well as an L-2 charge to 100%. I'll try to fix your links to make them clickable.
In my opinion l1 charging is not fine. Even at 16A l2v is superior. An enhanced Leal can charges at 27.5A from at least a 40A circuit. The NEC requires a circuit to be derrated to 80% for an EVSE. That means a 30A circuit does not pass go.
Read what I wrote again. If you don't think that L-1 charging is "fine as long as it meets your needs and the wiring is sound and not otherwise loaded" then you are expressing a personal preference not based in fact. Lothsahn at least gives a possible reason for preferring L-2 charging, although the cost of electricity would have to be awfully high to be worth the cost of an L-2 charging station. I'll bet that you'll be doenright horrified to learn that I'm still using L-1 only at home to charge my 40kwh Leaf. ;-)
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Nords
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Re: Our search for a 2015-16 Leaf.

Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:06 pm

Lothsahn wrote:I use L1 charging only for my Leaf and it's fine, as long as you don't want to make 2 long trips in the same day.
But isn't level 2 charging more efficient? I seem to recall that it was, but not how much. If so, if the owner has expensive electricity or PV electricity, the efficiency may matter.
Oahu electricity is 28-30 cents/KWHr, but we've had a photovoltaic array for nearly 14 years. (We were in the first 30 net-metering agreements on the island.) We generate more KWHr than we use and we're compensated at the retail rate under the original (subsidized) net-metering program. Our monthly bill is only $18 for "grid connection fees" and miscellaneous fees & taxes. We have plenty of room on our roof & racks, so once we get a feel for our Leaf charging routine we'll add more used (or overstocked) panels.
LeftieBiker wrote:Lothsahn at least gives a possible reason for preferring L-2 charging, although the cost of electricity would have to be awfully high to be worth the cost of an L-2 charging station. I'll bet that you'll be downright horrified to learn that I'm still using L-1 only at home to charge my 40kwh Leaf. ;-)
Good to know, thanks. So far we have no need for L2 charging speed. We have plenty of time to charge at L1 overnight, and we don't even see the need to recharge while we're out & about.

Depending on our retiree routine, most of the time we might only recharge weekly. We're usually on travel for 2-3 months of the year as well, and an L2 charger seems to be overkill for our needs.

This 24 KWHr battery pack appears to be the perfect size for the islands. In five years or so maybe our 2005 Prius will die and we'll buy a second newer-to-us model of used Leaf with a bigger battery pack, but there's been no need so far.
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Re: Our search for a 2015-16 Leaf.

Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:21 pm

Nords wrote:...snip...I'm tempted to attach a 240v adapter plug on the Leaf's OEM 110v charger and stick it into the 240v receptacle behind our (rarely used) electric dryer.
DO NOT DO THIS!!!!! The OEM EVSE has components inside that are not capable of the higher voltage. You might get away with it a few times, but eventually the higher voltage will fry the electronics. If you desire or need to charge on 240V, get it upgraded at EVSEUpgrade.com (many many on this board have had it done and Ingineer is a very early adopter, though now he rebuilds more Teslas than Leafs.
Nords wrote:...snip..I’m not trying to be a cheapskate-- I just don’t want to be responsible for still yet even more redundant infrastructure in our house. Is it worth buying an L2 EVSE? Any other benefits other than the faster charge, which we don’t need? Is the L2 somehow better for battery longevity? Do the aftermarket L2 EVSE charging systems have some convenience feature (charge timers? time-of-day metering?) which we "can't live without"?
Only you can answer that question. I've been using the OEM EVSE and 120V charging for nearly eight years with no problems. As long as your daily drive is less than about 40 mi and you don't need to pre-heat when it's below 20 F, then you are good with L1 120V. Some benefits of L2 240V charging are the slightly more efficient charging (maybe 85% vs 75% efficient) and being able to more quickly fill the battery, say during a specific 4 hr window when electricity is cheaper (or during high solar flux from 10am-2pm to be grid-friendly). Some stations do have timers, wireless connectivity, etc. that might also be beneficial.
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