Concerns about older Leafs (Leaves?)

[SageBrush]

Even Nissan can make the mechanical parts of a car last over 150k miles. A LEAF purchase is ALL about the battery

[Dooglas]

Even Nissan can make the mechanical parts of a car last over 150k miles. A LEAF purchase is ALL about the battery

Agreed. And why I would say cross any 2011/2012 Leaf off your used purchase list unless the battery has already been replaced with a new pack with more recent battery chemistry, i.e. a pack made after 4/13.

[SageBrush]

Even Nissan can make the mechanical parts of a car last over 150k miles. A LEAF purchase is ALL about the battery

Agreed. And why I would say cross any 2011/2012 Leaf off your used purchase list unless the battery has already been replaced with a new pack with more recent battery chemistry, i.e. a pack made after 4/13.

Yep.

And I at least do not know how the battery performance declines after losing 50% of capacity. There may be a cliff.

[mwalsh]

Agreed. And why I would say cross any 2011/2012 Leaf off your used purchase list unless the battery has already been replaced with a new pack with more recent battery chemistry, i.e. a pack made after 4/13.

I would personally hold out for a 2015 pack. I'm not sure I trust the 2013 tweaks so much.

[bitmanEV]

don't forget the 'newer' models with heat pump giving wee more range...

[bocarat]

Even Nissan can make the mechanical parts of a car last over 150k miles. A LEAF purchase is ALL about the battery

Agreed. And why I would say cross any 2011/2012 Leaf off your used purchase list unless the battery has already been replaced with a new pack with more recent battery chemistry, i.e. a pack made after 4/13.

Yes, I agree that this seems to be the right way to go.

[bocarat]

Changing tack slightly, I started looking at the Volt. Similar ages and mileage. Looked like a much better deal, ~45 miles on a charge, then engine takes over.....perfect. A Leaf with much better range! Prius+!!

And then I found out it takes 23kwh to charge it. Even in Florida with 10c/kwh, that's a gallon of gas at today's prices. So 45 miles/gallon....worse than a Prius if you have to pay to charge it - which I will as I don't commute. Agreed, once gas gets up to $3/gallon things will more than even out, but even so that was a surprise.

Off to see the 64k mile 2013 Leaf S with replacement battery pack this afternoon.....

[Dooglas]

Changing tack slightly, I started looking at the Volt. Similar ages and mileage. Looked like a much better deal, ~45 miles on a charge, then engine takes over.....perfect. A Leaf with much better range! Prius+!!

And then I found out it takes 23kwh to charge it. Even in Florida with 10c/kwh, that's a gallon of gas at today's prices. So 45 miles/gallon....worse than a Prius if you have to pay to charge it - which I will as I don't commute. Agreed, once gas gets up to $3/gallon things will more than even out, but even so that was a surprise.

Yes, it does and the number doesn't make sense. The 2010-2015 Volt has a 16 kwh battery pack and the 2016-present Volt has an 18.4 kwh battery pack.

[bocarat]

Changing tack slightly, I started looking at the Volt. Similar ages and mileage. Looked like a much better deal, ~45 miles on a charge, then engine takes over.....perfect. A Leaf with much better range! Prius+!!

And then I found out it takes 23kwh to charge it. Even in Florida with 10c/kwh, that's a gallon of gas at today's prices. So 45 miles/gallon....worse than a Prius if you have to pay to charge it - which I will as I don't commute. Agreed, once gas gets up to $3/gallon things will more than even out, but even so that was a surprise.

Yes, it does and the number doesn't make sense. The 2010-2015 Volt has a 16 kwh battery pack and the 2016-present Volt has an 18.4 kwh battery pack.

@Dooglas, is that right though, a 16kwh battery pack takes 16kwh to charge it? What about losses?

I went to see the local 2013. How do I post images here from Leaf Spy - do I have to have them hosted somewhere?

[Dooglas]

@Dooglas, is that right though, a 16kwh battery pack takes 16kwh to charge it? What about losses?

I went to see the local 2013. How do I post images here from Leaf Spy - do I have to have them hosted somewhere?

There is some resistance loss in charging all right. I have seen an estimate of resistance loss through the EVSE and the on-board transformer of perhaps 2-3%. On the other hand you are not charging the pack up from zero because it never gets down to zero. That was what made me say the number you quoted seems too high. (there are plenty of number geeks on this site, one should along with a more detailed answer)

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