SageBrush
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Re: Newbie in OR Wanting Advice

Fri May 17, 2019 7:48 pm

I showed my instructions to my wife and asked her if she could use them to calculate battery capacity. She got lost in the (for her) dense jargon and reminded me again that she is a "visual" person which loosely translates into a request to show her pictures of what button to push.

So off I went for a drive to deplete some of the energy in the battery and then pulled up at a favorite ChargePoint station to take photos of the steps involved in the test ... only to find that my phone battery was dead and my wife had taken my phone's charging cable.

This modern, new fangled electro-stuff can be annoying sometimes.
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/2018: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
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lorenfb
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Re: Newbie in OR Wanting Advice

Fri May 17, 2019 8:08 pm

SageBrush wrote:I showed my instructions to my wife and asked her if she could use them to calculate battery capacity. She got lost in the (for her) dense jargon and reminded me again that she is a "visual" person which loosely translates into a request to show her pictures of what button to push.

So off I went for a drive to deplete some of the energy in the battery and then pulled up at a favorite ChargePoint station to take photos of the steps involved in the test ... only to find that my phone battery was dead and my wife had taken my phone's charging cable.

This modern, new fangled electro-stuff can be annoying sometimes.
But that's basically the typical automotive consumer, i.e. why complicate life learning new concepts. It's simple just to buy an ICEV like a Prius Prime
that you know its MPG and it comes with an analog gas gauge.
#1 Leaf SL MY 9/13: 74K miles, 48 Ahrs, 5.2 miles/kWh (average), Hx=70, SOH=78, L2 - 100% > 1000, temp < 95F, (DOD) > 20 Ahrs
#2 Leaf SL MY 12/18: 4.5K miles, 115 Ahrs, 5.5 miles/kWh (average), Hx=98, SOH=99, DOD > 20%, temp < 105F

Lothsahn
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Re: Newbie in OR Wanting Advice

Fri May 17, 2019 8:26 pm

Another option is to look for a 2011 or 2012 with 11+ bars. That will last you 4-5 years with your commute easily and will be a cheap purchase. Most of those have warranty replaced batteries and even if they don't, a canary would last 4 years easily in OR for your commute.

Or cwerdna is selling his for $6500...
2011 Silver SV, purchased 2018, lives in Missouri (previously in CA)
LeafSpy Pro + BAFX Products OBDII dongle
Battery swap 2019/04/24 (87% SOH, 12 bar)

SageBrush
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Re: Newbie in OR Wanting Advice

Fri May 17, 2019 8:36 pm

lorenfb wrote: But that's basically the typical automotive consumer, i.e. why complicate life learning new concepts. It's simple just to buy an ICEV like a Prius Prime
that you know its MPG and it comes with an analog gas gauge.
Funny that you mention that car since we owned it. When the Tesla arrived we had one too many cars. She wanted to sell the LEAF and I wanted to sell the Prius Prime. My voiced objection to the Prime was that it was $15k more money for functionality we did not need and would not use. My other private thought was that she would fall back into a petrol habit.

We agreed to disagree and put both cars up for sale. The Prius Prime sold quickly for more than I paid for it, and the LEAF stayed.

P.s., the Prius Prime is a plug-in hybrid, good for about 30 miles EV driving each charge and then it changes into 50 MPG hybrid mode which relies on an ICE. There is a LOT to like about it if used as intended although a Tesla it is not.
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2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/2018: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
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2018 Tesla Model 3 LR, Delivered 6/2018

cwerdna
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Re: Newbie in OR Wanting Advice

Fri May 17, 2019 8:44 pm

lorenfb wrote: But that's basically the typical automotive consumer, i.e. why complicate life learning new concepts. It's simple just to buy an ICEV like a Prius Prime that you know its MPG and it comes with an analog gas gauge.
Indeed. My mother can't even be bothered to calculate her gas mileage even once, on her current car (an 07 Altima Hybrid) or her previous car (a 96 Camry V6), before it got totaled. I'd asked her to in both cases and nope. For her, it's whatever it gets. I've pointed out to her it's a good idea to at least get a sense and compare to EPA numbers so that she knows what to expect in a future car. Still nope.

My parents can barely operate the NAH's trip computer, which is very similar to '11 to '17 Leaf's (button with squares and other with dot).

Then you have hypermilers on the opposite end of the spectrum.

'19 Bolt Premier
'13 Leaf SV w/premium package (owned)
'13 Leaf SV w/QC + LED & premium packages (lease over, car returned)

Please don't PM me with Leaf questions. Just post in the topic that seems most appropriate.

lorenfb
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Re: Newbie in OR Wanting Advice

Fri May 17, 2019 8:46 pm

SageBrush wrote:My private thought was that she would fall back into a petrol habit.
What's better for the relationship, that's always key.
#1 Leaf SL MY 9/13: 74K miles, 48 Ahrs, 5.2 miles/kWh (average), Hx=70, SOH=78, L2 - 100% > 1000, temp < 95F, (DOD) > 20 Ahrs
#2 Leaf SL MY 12/18: 4.5K miles, 115 Ahrs, 5.5 miles/kWh (average), Hx=98, SOH=99, DOD > 20%, temp < 105F

SageBrush
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Re: Newbie in OR Wanting Advice

Fri May 17, 2019 9:00 pm

lorenfb wrote:
SageBrush wrote:My private thought was that she would fall back into a petrol habit.
What's better for the relationship, that's always key.
No temptation, no drama.

She is a full fledged EV fan-girl these days and does not miss the petrol station one little bit. As for charging, well that just became a habit after a short while. I wish my phone training could have gone so smoothly. It is more dead than alive.
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/2018: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
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2018 Tesla Model 3 LR, Delivered 6/2018

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Re: Newbie in OR Wanting Advice

Fri May 17, 2019 10:03 pm

barbarasklar wrote:Hello.
I have learned an enormous amount from this forum. I live in Eugene, OR, a mild climate with increasingly hot summers. I commute 15 miles/day and do not often use a car for trips over 60 miles.
I am hoping to purchase a LEAF that will get me through for the next 4-5 years when I can afford a higher-range used vehicle. Initially, I was thinking about a 2013, but the commentary on canary batteries made me think twice. I am now thinking about a 2015, and saw a couple of them on shift.com. Does anyone have any personal experience buying from them. Things I should be looking for in a 2015 other than strong battery health? Thanks.
2015 sounds like a good fit for you. Mine still has all 12 bars. Other than checking the battery health with LEAFspy, make sure the AC is working properly; Iirc, some 2015s had problems with leaks.
I noticed you're still working with polymers.

anthonystclair
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Re: Newbie in OR Wanting Advice

Sun May 19, 2019 10:48 pm

barbarasklar wrote:Hello.
I have learned an enormous amount from this forum. I live in Eugene, OR, a mild climate with increasingly hot summers. I commute 15 miles/day and do not often use a car for trips over 60 miles.
I am hoping to purchase a LEAF that will get me through for the next 4-5 years when I can afford a higher-range used vehicle. Initially, I was thinking about a 2013, but the commentary on canary batteries made me think twice. I am now thinking about a 2015, and saw a couple of them on shift.com. Does anyone have any personal experience buying from them. Things I should be looking for in a 2015 other than strong battery health? Thanks.
Hi Barbara! I'm also in Eugene. My wife and I bought our first Leaf, today in fact. We got a 2016 with 15K on it. We got ours from Lithia Nissan over near Autzen. They have a 2014, 2015, and 2017 still on the lot as of when we left this morning. As you've probably seen on here too, Platt Auto Group in Portland has an extensive EV inventory. I corresponded with them a fair bit, and they are definitely worth considering

I looked at the listings on Shift as well, and considered a few. From what I understand, they won't bring a Leaf to Eugene, but will meet you in the Salem area. The main thing that steered me away from Shift is that in Oregon there's a $2500 rebate, but it's only for dealers, not private parties (and Shift isn't participating).

State of Oregon: AQ Programs - Requirements for Charge Ahead Applicants
https://www.oregon.gov/deq/aq/programs/ ... ebate.aspx

This forum has been a huge help for me too. We were open to a late 2013 or 2014, but definitely preferred a 2015 or 2016. We've been working toward our Leaf purchase since February, and if you have questions or such please reach out. You'll find the right one!
2016 Leaf S

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Re: Newbie in OR Wanting Advice

Tue May 21, 2019 8:38 am

Hello again.
I am unsure how to get in touch with the person in Eugene who responded to my post, but I would love to check in. Is there a way to private message you? Or perhaps you can private message me? Congratulations on the purchase of your LEAF!
Thanks,
Barbara

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