RonDawg
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Re: new owner of a used Leaf in Utah

Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:48 am

Sherpa wrote::lol: I have what doctors call a car problem. Besides the six I list in my signature,
Speaking of which, now that you have a very efficient car, what's the LEAST efficient car in your fleet? Is it the 8.1L Suburban, or the Pontiac with the 454 :lol:

(The Suburban is heavier and had the bigger engine at around 500 cubic inches, but the Pontiac is older and lacks the technologies to make them both smog-compliant and fuel efficient.)
Blue Ocean 2012 Leaf SV, lost that 1st bar at 34 months/26,435 miles. Lease returned 2 months later. Final LeafStat figures: 225 Gids, 17.44 kWH, SOC 91.89%, SOH 82.36%, 69.49% HX, 54.57 Ahr, battery temp 61.8 F.
Now driving a 2015 VW eGolf SEL.

Sherpa
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Re: new owner of a used Leaf in Utah

Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:56 am

RonDawg wrote:what's the LEAST efficient car in your fleet? Is it the 8.1L Suburban, or the Pontiac with the 454 :lol:
That's why I bought the Metro last year. At that time, I was rotating my daily driving between the Wrangler, the Suburban and the Grand Prix... and none of those vehicles achieves 15 mpg in day-to-day use. The Jeep was closest at 14 mpg, but I've modified it to the point that it doesn't like freeway/high-speed driving, so it was the one I drove the least. The Suburban has not only the 496 cubic inch V8 but also the optional 4.10 axle ratio, which makes it great for towing (it's rated to tow 12,000 pounds, which is why I bought it) but I usually see 11-12 mpg with it. The Grand Prix weighs almost 3,000 pounds less than the Suburban, but it uses a comparatively crude FiTech TBI system.

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I also drive it more aggressively than I do the Suburban... so it only sees about 12 mpg in typical driving even with its overdrive transmission. It has a very effective Detroit TrueTrac limited slip differential, and it lacks all of the modern safety equipment we now take for granted. (Traction control? Stability control? That stuff is for sissies!) As a result, I don't ever drive that car if there is even a slight chance for rain--it is hard enough keeping the tail end straight on dry roads, and darn near impossible in the wet.

I imagine all the above will make none of you surprised to hear I have been driving the Leaf everywhere since I bought it.
Dempsey Bowling
My fleet: '91 Miata, '98 Wrangler 4.0L, '01 Suburban 8.1L, '80 Grand Prix 454, '86 Shelby GLHS #75, '13 Leaf SV

flydiver
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Re: new owner of a used Leaf in Utah

Mon Jun 03, 2019 10:29 am

The Leaf is the first car I've enjoyed driving in a couple decades.
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RonDawg
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Re: new owner of a used Leaf in Utah

Mon Jun 03, 2019 12:02 pm

Sherpa wrote:I imagine all the above will make none of you surprised to hear I have been driving the Leaf everywhere since I bought it.
Nope not at all. We regularly see posts like "I didn't think I'd enjoy driving this car as often as I do" and find themselves exceeding their lease mileage allotments. Another one is when the spouse "steals" their Leaf :lol: It's more than just savings on fuel expenses, it's savings on maintenance on the ICEV, and also more suitable than an ICEV for stop and go traffic.

Does this have the CHAdeMO (fast charging) port? if so, looking at Plugshare, you'll have no problem driving your Leaf all over the greater SLC area.
Blue Ocean 2012 Leaf SV, lost that 1st bar at 34 months/26,435 miles. Lease returned 2 months later. Final LeafStat figures: 225 Gids, 17.44 kWH, SOC 91.89%, SOH 82.36%, 69.49% HX, 54.57 Ahr, battery temp 61.8 F.
Now driving a 2015 VW eGolf SEL.

Sherpa
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Re: new owner of a used Leaf in Utah

Mon Jun 03, 2019 12:19 pm

flydiver wrote:The Leaf is the first car I've enjoyed driving in a couple decades.
Don't get me wrong--I love my ICE vehicles and don't plan to abandon them any time soon. Having said that, I am enjoying driving this Leaf way more than I thought I would.
RonDawg wrote:Looking at Plugshare, with the CHAdeMO port you'll have no problem driving your Leaf all over the greater SLC area.
I had downloaded the PlugShare app and began studying it even before my Metro was sold. When I saw how many free charge stations there were in my area, it solidified my idea to buy an EV. The CHAdeMO port obviously adds flexibility to my charging, but I am afraid to use it due to the increased possibility of battery degradation. I intend to stick to L2 charging only.

Fun fact: in the two weeks I've been driving this Leaf, I have not yet needed to charge it at home. (It helps that we have one L2 charger at work I can use on occasion.) I did already buy a JuiceBox Pro 40, but I cannot use it until I get a 240v outlet installed in my garage. My car did come with the OEM L1 cable, but I haven't needed to use it yet.
Dempsey Bowling
My fleet: '91 Miata, '98 Wrangler 4.0L, '01 Suburban 8.1L, '80 Grand Prix 454, '86 Shelby GLHS #75, '13 Leaf SV

LeftieBiker
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Re: new owner of a used Leaf in Utah

Mon Jun 03, 2019 12:46 pm

The CHAdeMO port obviously adds flexibility to my charging, but I am afraid to use it due to the increased possibility of battery degradation. I intend to stick to L2 charging only.
If you use QC only when the pack is cool you don't have to worry about that. Say no more than 5 temp bars on the dash "gauge." Four bars if you want to be extra safe.
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goldbrick
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Re: new owner of a used Leaf in Utah

Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:11 pm

Sherpa wrote:Fun fact: in the two weeks I've been driving this Leaf, I have not yet needed to charge it at home. (It helps that we have one L2 charger at work I can use on occasion.) I did already buy a JuiceBox Pro 40, but I cannot use it until I get a 240v outlet installed in my garage. My car did come with the OEM L1 cable, but I haven't needed to use it yet.
I'm in the same boat but it's been nearly 2 years and 12k miles. Plenty of free charging around town and free charging at work as well. I did buy an OpenEVSE that I'm planning to install at home so I can charge at night during the summer.

SageBrush
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Re: new owner of a used Leaf in Utah

Mon Jun 03, 2019 3:41 pm

Sherpa wrote:The CHAdeMO port obviously adds flexibility to my charging, but I am afraid to use it due to the increased possibility of battery degradation. I intend to stick to L2 charging only.
You will appreciate CHAdeMO in the winter, and then over-heating issues are not in play.

Regarding L2, avoid charging up to 100% in the heat and leaving the car to cook.
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03/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/2018: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
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SageBrush
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Re: new owner of a used Leaf in Utah

Mon Jun 03, 2019 3:46 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
The CHAdeMO port obviously adds flexibility to my charging, but I am afraid to use it due to the increased possibility of battery degradation. I intend to stick to L2 charging only.
If you use QC only when the pack is cool you don't have to worry about that. Say no more than 5 temp bars on the dash "gauge." Four bars if you want to be extra safe.
Heh. I *finally* had the opportunity to use a CHAdeMO today as part of a beta testing for a new vendor. I did not note the starting temperature but the end reading on the "gauge" was 6 bars -- the first time this year.

I'm delighted to have CHAdeMO for our LEAF if needed but I will not make a habit of it regardless of cost.
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/2018: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
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2018 Tesla Model 3 LR, Delivered 6/2018

RonDawg
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Re: new owner of a used Leaf in Utah

Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:37 pm

Sherpa wrote:The CHAdeMO port obviously adds flexibility to my charging, but I am afraid to use it due to the increased possibility of battery degradation. I intend to stick to L2 charging only.
In addition to what Leftie posted, one thing you can do is stop charging early if you don't need all the range. For example, if you are near empty but only need 1/2 battery to get home, just charge to 1/2 battery. QC stations tend to charge by the kWH as opposed to by the full hour or 1/2 hour that some public L2 stations do, so you're also saving money.
Fun fact: in the two weeks I've been driving this Leaf, I have not yet needed to charge it at home. (It helps that we have one L2 charger at work I can use on occasion.) I did already buy a JuiceBox Pro 40, but I cannot use it until I get a 240v outlet installed in my garage. My car did come with the OEM L1 cable, but I haven't needed to use it yet.
You should plug it in to a suitable outlet just to make sure it works. You never know when you might need it. (Same with the CHADeMO port.)

Also consider using that to charge at work if your boss will allow. That frees up the sole L2 for someone else to use, and if you will be at work all day you'll still get about 40 miles' worth of charge at L1.
Blue Ocean 2012 Leaf SV, lost that 1st bar at 34 months/26,435 miles. Lease returned 2 months later. Final LeafStat figures: 225 Gids, 17.44 kWH, SOC 91.89%, SOH 82.36%, 69.49% HX, 54.57 Ahr, battery temp 61.8 F.
Now driving a 2015 VW eGolf SEL.

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