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Re: Leaf and heat

Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:23 pm
by SageBrush
WetEV wrote:
SalisburySam wrote:I will agree with other posters here: a non-temperature-controlled battery is not a good idea in hot climates. If the LEAF really, really floats your boat, take @LeftieBiker’s advice and lease it so battery degradation becomes the manufacturer’s problem and not yours.
Or save money and own the car as long as the warranty will replace the battery. Still is the is manufacturer’s problem and not yours.
Did you forget about depreciation ? No way to foist that on the manufacturer.

Re: Leaf and heat

Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:59 pm
by WetEV
SageBrush wrote:
WetEV wrote:
SalisburySam wrote:I will agree with other posters here: a non-temperature-controlled battery is not a good idea in hot climates. If the LEAF really, really floats your boat, take @LeftieBiker’s advice and lease it so battery degradation becomes the manufacturer’s problem and not yours.
Or save money and own the car as long as the warranty will replace the battery. Still is the is manufacturer’s problem and not yours.
Did you forget about depreciation ? No way to foist that on the manufacturer.
No, after 8 years assume zero value. Probably wrong, but assume that.

Still cheaper than leasing. Here, let us do it for 5 years.

https://www.nissanusa.com/pe-nissan/lea ... f/s-40-kwh

Set trade in and down payment to zero.

I see $495 to buy for 60 months, and $532 to lease for 60 months. Not counting the federal tax credit of $7500.

So lease would cost $31920, and a purchase would cost $22200. Assuming you have enough income to get the full tax credit, of course. Assuming that the car is worthless even with 3 years of battery warranty left. Fees for leasing are probably higher as well.

Re: Leaf and heat

Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:29 pm
by LeftieBiker
It depends on your priorities and preferences. If people did everything by the best way the numbers played out, we'd live in an unrecognizable society. I'll keep leasing until I get a car I want to buy.

Re: Leaf and heat

Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 4:14 pm
by SageBrush
WetEV wrote:
SageBrush wrote:
WetEV wrote:
Or save money and own the car as long as the warranty will replace the battery. Still is the is manufacturer’s problem and not yours.
Did you forget about depreciation ? No way to foist that on the manufacturer.
No, after 8 years assume zero value. Probably wrong, but assume that.

Still cheaper than leasing. Here, let us do it for 5 years.

https://www.nissanusa.com/pe-nissan/lea ... f/s-40-kwh

Set trade in and down payment to zero.

I see $495 to buy for 60 months, and $532 to lease for 60 months. Not counting the federal tax credit of $7500.

So lease would cost $31920, and a purchase would cost $22200. Assuming you have enough income to get the full tax credit, of course. Assuming that the car is worthless even with 3 years of battery warranty left. Fees for leasing are probably higher as well.
My arithmetic comes out different but it is besides the point in a car that loses so much range over a few years.

Re: Leaf and heat

Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 5:33 pm
by WetEV
SageBrush wrote:My arithmetic comes out different but it is besides the point in a car that loses so much range over a few years.
Still trying to drive up your Tesla stock, I see.

Re: Leaf and heat

Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 5:49 pm
by LeftieBiker
WetEV wrote:
SageBrush wrote:My arithmetic comes out different but it is besides the point in a car that loses so much range over a few years.
Still trying to drive up your Tesla stock, I see.
Most of us have agendas of some sort, and the two of you are both known quantities, so how about less of repeating the same observations? You promote the Leaf more or less as-is, Sagebrush doesn't and promotes Tesla. Enough said.

Re: Leaf and heat

Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:31 pm
by johnlocke
For any place with high summer temps, leasing makes more sense. Nissan has a proven track record of battery degradation in the south and southwest. Not withstanding the possibility that Nissan has fixed their battery issues, EV development is proceeding at such a rapid pace that any EV 3 years from now will be a vast improvement over today's model. Obsolescence will get you even if the battery holds up. Nissan Leafs have a low resale value for a reason. Easier to take the hit up front and let Nissan worry about the battery.

Re: Leaf and heat

Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:47 pm
by danrjones
It really just depends on your need / life style and price.

I nabbed a new 2018 for 15500 after credits and rebates. A three year lease probably would have cost me the same? So if I sell it for anything I come out ahead.

My brother has two teslas, an s and a 3. They are very nice. But my wife and i like the hatchback design. And it cost me a lot less. Even a standard model 3 with white paint and autopilot and the smaller fed tax credit would have been much more $$$. Since I was just looking for a in town vehicle to stop putting miles on my truck at 13 mpg, this worked great for now.

For others it probably is a lousy deal.

Re: Leaf and heat

Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:17 am
by Jerryr
I’m on my 3rd Leaf since 2015 IN SOUTH FLORIDA. That should tell you something about how much I like these cars, even in hot climates.

My 2015 battery was at 87% after 3 years when I traded it in. (4.4% loss per year)
My 2018 was at 95% after 13 months when I traded it in. It started at 99%. (3.9% loss per year)
My current 2019 Leaf PLUS is too new to judge degradation.

So I expect about 4-5% per year degradation.

My 225 mile Leaf plus should still have about 175 miles of range after 5 years. That’s more than enough for 95% of my daily needs.



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Re: Leaf and heat

Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:16 am
by SageBrush
danrjones wrote:It really just depends on your need / life style and price.

I nabbed a new 2018 for 15500 after credits and rebates. A three year lease probably would have cost me the same? So if I sell it for anything I come out ahead.

My brother has two teslas, an s and a 3. They are very nice. But my wife and i like the hatchback design. And it cost me a lot less. Even a standard model 3 with white paint and autopilot and the smaller fed tax credit would have been much more $$$. Since I was just looking for a in town vehicle to stop putting miles on my truck at 13 mpg, this worked great for now.

For others it probably is a lousy deal.
Under $16k for the 40 kWh LEAF is an outstanding deal and value. Good for you !

I share your preference for hatchbacks and had to swallow my past declarations to buy the Model 3 but I have to say that it does quite well for me. This week I picked up an 8 foot long packet of wood and a 4' x 8' foot board (cut into 3) from the store.