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Using a 2015 Nissan Leaf as Daily Delivery vehicle in AZ summer

Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:22 pm

would it survive? I work at jimmy johns and deliver sandwiches. lunch rush is like 11-1, so i would be driving fairly constantly for that period with short brakes in between, up to an hour sometimes if its slow. a delivery is at most 4 miles total. lets say i do that 4 times a week, most of the other time its being driven later and a lot less frequently. I would never exceed 60 miles in a day, i've tested it in my gas car, i probably average 45-50 on the busy days and less than 20 on the slow ones. I don't drive aggressively and i would attempt to maximize efficiency. I wouldn't take highways, or exceed 55mph. I can park it in my garage and charge it late at night with garage cracked and fans circulating air.

Im mainly worried about summer heat and the car degrading rapidly even with a lizard battery, or it going into turtle mode when im driving a lot. I'll make sure i pick a light colored car, and i'll get it tinted, also get a sunshade for it while parked. I just need this battery to hold more than 60 miles for 2 more years, 3 or 4 would be great. After that i can replace the pack myself or buy a new one, IDK.

should i just get a ford focus electric? i really don't like them, but ik they're cooled much better. Would a leaf last ? :D

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Re: Using a 2015 Nissan Leaf as Daily Delivery vehicle in AZ summer

Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:24 pm

The Focus EV doesn't do much if any better in heat, despite the active cooling. If you drive gently to keep the motor and pack loads low, it will just depend on how hot, and for how long, each day. Do you have any way to cool the car off at night? It's sustained heat that really degrades those packs.
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Re: Using a 2015 Nissan Leaf as Daily Delivery vehicle in AZ summer

Wed Jun 12, 2019 3:39 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:The Focus EV doesn't do much if any better in heat, despite the active cooling. If you drive gently to keep the motor and pack loads low, it will just depend on how hot, and for how long, each day. Do you have any way to cool the car off at night? It's sustained heat that really degrades those packs.
if the pack doesn't cool down a few bars then i guess i could setup a fan blowing cool air into the garage for an hour or two, would that help? I don't work more than 8hrs a day and most of the time my car is sitting there unless its super busy, even then it gets breaks.

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Re: Using a 2015 Nissan Leaf as Daily Delivery vehicle in AZ summer

Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:35 pm

Any chance of charging at work while you wait for the next order? Otherwise, I suspect it's just too much of a crapshoot - you might be okay, but if not you're screwed, and the battery is going to degrade quickly in that environment. Personally, I wouldn't count on any BEV without a good TMS to be useful for very long there, unless it's got a whole lot of excess range at the start.
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Re: Using a 2015 Nissan Leaf as Daily Delivery vehicle in AZ summer

Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:30 pm

As someone who has 79,734 miles on a 2015 SL (typing this while charging at a DCQC station), I will say that a 2015 would be OK for short-range delivery needs. You need to understand there will be battery degradation due to the heat. If the car you choose came from a cool climate and has minimal capacity loss, 60 miles of city driving is possible. A car like mine that has spent its entire life here would be OK for 40 miles or so with A/C use and moderate to aggressive driving. I cannot comment on any better range from really gentle driving because that is not my style. It would be ideal if you have a way to charge between deliveries if you are pushing the daily range to the limit.. A battery in reasonable condition will never get hot enough from driving to cause turtle mode. I have had power limitation mode a few times on really hot days after a DCQC, but it is not as slow as Turtle mode due to low charge.

The worst battery heating comes from DCQC in high ambient temperatures and from parking on hot, black pavement that has been super-heated by the sun. The battery temperature will drop while driving after either of those situations. It may be a little better to park outside at night instead of parking in a garage that holds heat, but don't worry too much about the difference.

As others have already noted, the Ford Focus battery has not proven to be any better than the Leaf (especially the "lizard" battery) in the Phoenix climate.
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Re: Using a 2015 Nissan Leaf as Daily Delivery vehicle in AZ summer

Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:54 pm

Would you consider a Chevy Spark EV? LG Chem battery on the 2015 and later models, liquid cooled TMS, 82 miles of range. On cars.com, there are 2015's with less than 30,000 miles listed for $7K.
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Re: Using a 2015 Nissan Leaf as Daily Delivery vehicle in AZ summer

Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:01 pm

Kieran973 wrote:Would you consider a Chevy Spark EV? LG Chem battery on the 2015 and later models, liquid cooled TMS, 82 miles of range. On cars.com, there are 2015's with less than 30,000 miles listed for $7K.
They were never sold new by dealers in AZ, but used imports from California are available.
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Re: Using a 2015 Nissan Leaf as Daily Delivery vehicle in AZ summer

Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:45 pm

I could take a break between 2 shifts to give the car a rest and a charge, like work through lunch rush and then go home for 2-4 hours and work later that day.

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Re: Using a 2015 Nissan Leaf as Daily Delivery vehicle in AZ summer

Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:58 pm

osi wrote:I could take a break between 2 shifts to give the car a rest and a charge, like work through lunch rush and then go home for 2-4 hours and work later that day.
Two hours is enough for a decent L-2 charge, but there is no point in thinking of it as "rest" for the car. The battery is the only component under stress, and that would stay hot - especially if being charged.
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Re: Using a 2015 Nissan Leaf as Daily Delivery vehicle in AZ summer

Thu Jun 13, 2019 4:47 pm

See viewtopic.php?f=10&t=6198&p=490239&hili ... ry#p490148 for testing of the 2015 Spark's battery. As I mentioned in the post following that one, the 2013s used a larger, more heat-tolerant, higher cycle life LiFePO4 chemistry.
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