jct974
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How is Leaf on snowy hills

Tue Sep 24, 2019 3:18 pm

Hello,
I am considering purchasing a new Leaf . I live in Rhode Island and live at the top of a steep hill. I am used to buying AWDs due to this issue, and really would like to consider a new Leaf but not sure if it can do the job of getting up and down the hill in snow and ice. Does anyone have any thoughts if a Leaf can handle a steep snowy hill? Any information that people can provide would be greatly appreciated. :D

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Re: How is Leaf on snowy hills

Tue Sep 24, 2019 3:22 pm

The car's weight and low center of gravity make it very good in the snow - WITH dedicated ice and snow tires. Still, I suggest you request a test drive that lets you actually drive a Leaf on your hill, preferably in the snow.
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Re: How is Leaf on snowy hills

Tue Sep 24, 2019 4:32 pm

The snow tires are important. The stock tires are terrible in the snow, especially if it is cold. At least they were on my 2016 anyways.

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Re: How is Leaf on snowy hills

Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:30 am

+1 on OEM tires being crappy but in general, while the Leaf does well on snow it is only a FWD car. Only you know if that will work for you and if you need 4WD a Leaf won't cut it.

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Re: How is Leaf on snowy hills

Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:07 am

That question is loaded....

The question is not if the Leaf can make it up a hill... What you should consider is - You now have a 4WD.. So would you buy any front wheel drive car and expect it to go up your hill with only stock tires?

If any front wheel drive can do it, then the Leaf can.. BUT you cannot expect a Leaf to use snow tires... It is counter to the idea of an EV.

I would stay with 4WD if that is what you have been relying on..

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Re: How is Leaf on snowy hills

Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:34 am

powersurge wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:07 am
...If any front wheel drive can do it, then the Leaf can.. BUT you cannot expect a Leaf to use snow tires... It is counter to the idea of an EV.
I couldn't disagree more strongly. There are some excellent LRR winter tires available these days. I can vouch for the Michelin X-Ice xi3 tires. They have resulted in no lower fuel mileage (this would equate to battery range) than the current all season tires out there.
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Re: How is Leaf on snowy hills

Wed Sep 25, 2019 12:15 pm

css28 wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:34 am
powersurge wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:07 am
...If any front wheel drive can do it, then the Leaf can.. BUT you cannot expect a Leaf to use snow tires... It is counter to the idea of an EV.
I couldn't disagree more strongly. There are some excellent LRR winter tires available these days. I can vouch for the Michelin X-Ice xi3 tires. They have resulted in no lower fuel mileage (this would equate to battery range) than the current all season tires out there.

The post by powersurge is presenting incorrect information. There is NO inherent incompatibility between EVs and snow tires.
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Re: How is Leaf on snowy hills

Wed Sep 25, 2019 12:43 pm

jct974 wrote: I live in Rhode Island and live at the top of a steep hill. I am used to buying AWDs due to this issue, and really would like to consider a new Leaf but not sure if it can do the job of getting up and down the hill in snow and ice. Does anyone have any thoughts if a Leaf can handle a steep snowy hill?
I life in Massachusetts and my driveway goes up a steep hill; I've bought AWDs or snow tires for this same reason. My LEAF (2013 SL) came with Michelin Energy Saver A/S tires, and they were rather awful in the snow (and rain). I had to shovel my driveway most the way clean and then put sand/salt down before I could get the car to the garage. Basically, with the stock tires (or the Ecopia + I replaced them with) the LEAF did poorly in snow.

I never bought snow tires for the LEAF because I didn't expect to keep it longer than the 3 year lease, and by the time I did buy it at the end of the lease I already had an AWD Tesla that handled the hill just fine. I just drove the Tesla on snowy days and the LEAF the rest of the time.

However, many people here have said the LEAF performs much better with snow tires, so consider those.
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Re: How is Leaf on snowy hills

Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:54 pm

The actual brand/model of snow tire matters as well. I'd get Michelin X-Ice at least, and maybe Nokians at best.
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Re: How is Leaf on snowy hills

Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:18 pm

I'm happy with the Xi3s. I had them installed a week after getting my Leaf, just after it turned really cold at the end of January. Night and day difference between the drive to the tire shop and the drive home. With the OEM tires, even gentle attempts at acceleration engaged the traction control, gentle braking engaged the ABS, and even driving 10 km/h slower than most traffic was a scary experience. With the Xi3s, the Leaf almost as sure-footed as my Subaru (which also has a set of Xi3s), and I was no longer worried about rear ending someone in slow motion.

Efficiency improved by about 0.5 km/kWh when I switched back to the OEM tires in the spring, though it is hard to tell how much of that was due to the tires and how much was due to warmer weather.

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