SageBrush
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Re: Risk in buying a 2013 SL with 8 bars max and 80k miles on it

Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:49 pm

This forum has had a few sales recently of 2011/12 LEAFs with (replaced under warranty) 12 capacity bar batteries that sold for ~ $6 - 8k IIRC. That should give you a general idea of what a LEAF with an end-of-life battery is worth since battery replacement is ~ $8k. For another data point, @cwerdna is (still) trying to sell his 11 capacity bar 2013 LEAF 'S' for $6,000 in the San Fran bay area.

You can save a lot of money by towing a LEAF home from N. California. I bought my 33 month old LEAF for $8300 back in Jan 2017 from N. California and had it shipped to NM for $700. It is now 6 years old and just recently dropped its 12th bar.
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/2018: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
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LeftieBiker
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Re: Risk in buying a 2013 SL with 8 bars max and 80k miles on it

Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:36 pm

Please read this buying guide: viewtopic.php?f=27&t=26662&p=538030
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Re: Risk in buying a 2013 SL with 8 bars max and 80k miles on it

Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:40 pm

SageBrush wrote:
Sat Oct 19, 2019 6:55 pm
LeftieBiker wrote:
Sat Oct 19, 2019 6:41 pm
Where the 2011 with 8 bars might lose half of its range to heat, the 2013 SL would lose more like 5-10%.
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Only if the heat pump operates with COP of 5 - 10. Ain't arithmetic great ?
So you've calculated the number of BTUs the heater needs to produce keep a Leaf warm in that climate? How about sharing your "arithmetic" so someone else can check it?
I agree with you that a heat pump has real value in PNW weather, just not as much as you say. I'll guess an average COP of 3.
Which is it? A calculated actual number, or a guess?
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Re: Risk in buying a 2013 SL with 8 bars max and 80k miles on it

Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:49 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:40 pm
So you've calculated the number of BTUs the heater needs to produce keep a Leaf warm in that climate? How about sharing your "arithmetic" so someone else can check it?
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Of course. One should never have to take arithmetic on faith.

50/5 = 10
50/10 = 5
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/2018: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
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Re: Risk in buying a 2013 SL with 8 bars max and 80k miles on it

Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:13 pm

Yeah, I figured you didn't bother to think about it.
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Re: Risk in buying a 2013 SL with 8 bars max and 80k miles on it

Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:35 pm

SageBrush wrote:
Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:49 pm
For another data point, @cwerdna is (still) trying to sell his 11 capacity bar 2013 LEAF 'S' for $6,000 in the San Fran bay area.
It is an 11 capacity bar '13 SV w/premium package, NOT an S. SOH is varying between 81 and 83% still. As of this morning, it was in the very low 82.xx% range. Car was built towards the end of 5/2013.

It however doesn't have CHAdeMO (don't have the LED headlights + QC package). I've dropped the price to $6,200 a few months ago from $6,700 at the beginning in March to $6,500 (IIRC) later. I've only put it up at work so far due to lack of time, but the interest has been virtually nil. :( Seems like many folks at my work are just picking up Model 3's instead, judging by the growth I see in my work's EV/PHEV registry.

Once I get back from an upcoming trip to Japan, hopefully more time will open so I can widen my audience.

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Re: Risk in buying a 2013 SL with 8 bars max and 80k miles on it

Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:14 pm

Cwerdna, you need to try a different demographic. You have the perfect car for someone who is retired, Liberal, and doesn't drive long distances but enjoys luxury. Retirement communities, my lad, retirement communities. Just print up a good ad and post it at a few of those places. The car will be sold within two weeks - if not to a resident, then to a family member or friend of one.
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Re: Risk in buying a 2013 SL with 8 bars max and 80k miles on it

Sun Oct 20, 2019 9:29 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:14 pm
Retirement communities, my lad, retirement communities. Just print up a good ad and post it at a few of those places. The car will be sold within two weeks - if not to a resident, then to a family member or friend of one.
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Never occurred to me. I'll be impressed if it works. I was actually thinking the other side of coin -- colleges and Universities.
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/2018: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
-----
2018 Tesla Model 3 LR, Delivered 6/2018

LeftieBiker
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Re: Risk in buying a 2013 SL with 8 bars max and 80k miles on it

Sun Oct 20, 2019 9:36 pm

I was actually thinking the other side of coin -- colleges and Universities.

The problem there is with the range. Even kids who live near school want to take longer trips regularly. Most of the few people who ask me about my Leaf and show real interest are older and probably retired.
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Gospelman
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Re: Risk in buying a 2013 SL with 8 bars max and 80k miles on it

Sun Oct 20, 2019 11:04 pm

+1 for the Retirement Community! I'm 74 and just bought a 2014 LEAF with just 18000 miles on the clock. Love it to bits! After a lifetime spent in the motor trade I've had just about enough of crawling beneath a car to drain engine oil, change the filter and dispose of the old lubricant, not to mention other ICE service items like spark plugs and air cleaner elements. And it's SO quiet to drive - no longer the clamour of a gas engine thrashing around up front. Definitely a good decision. :D

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