tashaneice
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How much to charge my 2016 Leaf for battery life

Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:24 pm

Hi,

I just bought a 2016 30kw Leaf!

I commute 48 miles roundtrip per day, mostly highway 50-60mph. I live in MA so it's about to be cold for most of my driving. Should I only charge to 80%? Right now, without the heat on, I'm getting two little trees with eco on. Out of a fully charged projected 108 miles, it's going down to about 80 miles projected range after 24 miles, i.e. half my commute.

I think I'll have to charge every day to get back and forth to work with the heat on? I have 12/12 bars. Thanks for your help!

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Re: How much to charge my 2016 Leaf for battery life

Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:53 pm

This question comes up a lot. If you have an SV or SL with the heat pump, then you should be able to charge to about 80-90%. If you have an S there is no heat pump and you will need more power for heat, so you'll have to try it fully charged and see how much is left when you get home. Charging to 100% isn't a problem, BTW, as long as you use the car soon after the charge is complete. It's also less of an issue in cool or cold weather.
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Re: How much to charge my 2016 Leaf for battery life

Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:30 am

tashaneice wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:24 pm
Out of a fully charged projected 108 miles, it's going down to about 80 miles projected range after 24 miles, i.e. half my commute.
Do not believe the range value displayed on the dashboard. It is called a "Guess-o-meter" (GOM) because it's a wild guess, and usually way too overoptimistic. When I sold my 2013SL, the GOM still often read 110 miles where-as the real summer range of the car was down to 70 miles. That same range turned into 50-55 miles in the winter here in MA (depending upon how much I ran the heat, and I had an SL with the more efficient heat pump).

Highway driving will use more energy and shorten your range.

In the summer, you might try charging to 80%. In the winter, you probably want to charge to 100%.

I strongly suggest getting LeafSpyPro; that will give you a real range estimate.
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Re: How much to charge my 2016 Leaf for battery life

Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:05 am

jlv wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:30 am
Do not believe the range value displayed on the dashboard. It is called a "Guess-o-meter" (GOM) because it's a wild guess, and usually way too overoptimistic. When I sold my 2013SL, the GOM still often read 110 miles where-as the real summer range of the car was down to 70 miles. That same range turned into 50-55 miles in the winter here in MA (depending upon how much I ran the heat, and I had an SL with the more efficient heat pump).

Highway driving will use more energy and shorten your range.

In the summer, you might try charging to 80%. In the winter, you probably want to charge to 100%.

I strongly suggest getting LeafSpyPro; that will give you a real range estimate.
Any range estimate is a GOM, the term far predates the LEAF and any other modern electric car.

I also suggest LeafSpy Pro, the range estimate allows the driver to enter an estimate of energy consumption per mile rather than the car using the trend following method. This is better once you have enough experience to have a better guess than the car does.
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Re: How much to charge my 2016 Leaf for battery life

Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:31 pm

WetEV wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:05 am
Any range estimate is a GOM, the term far predates the LEAF and any other modern electric car.

I also suggest LeafSpy Pro, the range estimate allows the driver to enter an estimate of energy consumption per mile rather than the car using the trend following method. This is better once you have enough experience to have a better guess than the car does.
But the LEAF's GOM is particularly bad, as it extrapolates from bogus efficiency measurements. The point to the OP is to not believe it.
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Re: How much to charge my 2016 Leaf for battery life

Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:32 pm

jlv wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:31 pm
But the LEAF's GOM is particularly bad, as it extrapolates from bogus efficiency measurements. The point to the OP is to not believe it.
Not disagreeing, especially the older cars. The GOM in my 2014 is better than my 2012 was. But I hardly looked at it, used the %SOC display most of the time.
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Re: How much to charge my 2016 Leaf for battery life

Wed Oct 30, 2019 5:19 pm

jlv wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:31 pm
WetEV wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:05 am
Any range estimate is a GOM, the term far predates the LEAF and any other modern electric car.

I also suggest LeafSpy Pro, the range estimate allows the driver to enter an estimate of energy consumption per mile rather than the car using the trend following method. This is better once you have enough experience to have a better guess than the car does.
But the LEAF's GOM is particularly bad, as it extrapolates from bogus efficiency measurements. The point to the OP is to not believe it.
Well, we’ll agree to disagree. The GOM accuracy seems to be completely dependant on driving conditions and style of driving. In our valley typical speed limits are 90 km with a few stretches of 100 km. And lots of little towns that drag you down to 60 km. In this kind of driving the GOM is dead on...pretty much all the time. On a full charge on our 2016 SV we see 190 km to 200 km of range. We do this about once a month for a specific road trip. It’s always bang on.

I don’t think general statements should be applied to things like the GOM. Let the user figure it out.
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Re: How much to charge my 2016 Leaf for battery life

Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:10 am

I've been trying some different techniques on my similar-sounding drive:

Charging to about 80%

Setting up the climate control to recirc when off and defrost (fresh) 68F low fan when on.

Wearing a heavy jacket, hat and mittens

Seat heater on.

Warm blanket over legs.

I keep the climate control off most of the time, and bump the "on" button for a minute when the windows get foggy.

I'm more comfortable with the blanket than I was without it and the heat on, and the temps on the way home the last few times were 9-12 F.
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Re: How much to charge my 2016 Leaf for battery life

Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:20 am

PrairieLEAF wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:10 am
I've been trying some different techniques on my similar-sounding drive:

Charging to about 80%

Setting up the climate control to recirc when off and defrost (fresh) 68F low fan when on.

Wearing a heavy jacket, hat and mittens

Seat heater on.

Warm blanket over legs.

The lowest we can set our temp in the Leaf is 18 C. Way to warm for winter when you are dressed for the cold. I wish there was away to set it to around 14 or 15 C. My butt stays warm with the seat and my hands stay warm with the steering wheel. But the cabin just gets too freakin warm at 18 in the winter. Meh. Cycling the button isn’t that bad. First world problems. If any one has any ideas I’m listening. I don’t suspect our 2020 Eplus SL will be any different. Doug????

I keep the climate control off most of the time, and bump the "on" button for a minute when the windows get foggy.

I'm more comfortable with the blanket than I was without it and the heat on, and the temps on the way home the last few times were 9-12 F.
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Re: How much to charge my 2016 Leaf for battery life

Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:12 pm

Thanks everyone!

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