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Re: How much to charge my 2016 Leaf for battery life

Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:28 am

Titanium48 wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:33 pm
Or you can just let the car do the calculating for you by setting the charge stop time 2 hours (6 kW) or 3 hours (3 kW) after you plan to leave in the morning, and not setting a start time.
I tried this approach the first few weeks after I got the car (in August) but the resulting charge percentage seemed to vary more (probably depending on the starting level) than if I did the quick calculation method I described above (which, admittedly, is more work).
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Re: How much to charge my 2016 Leaf for battery life

Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:57 am

Yes in theory using the 10% to 80% range is best but that limits a 100 mile battery range to 70 miles on a nice clear 65F day and maybe 50 miles if the weather was like yesterday morning at my house. My battery has been recharged about 750 times. I saw a 2011 that had been recharged 7000 times mentioned the other day and still had 50% of its new range.

Our car is for butt moving so it will not see much butt pampering. I am not into abuse of people, animals or machines but the Leaf is a low end EV range wise. Using the middle 70% of a 300 mile battery is very doable for most people but not so much for a battery with a solid 50 to 80 mile range on a charge when you are doing 60 miles daily. Nissan states it is good for 8 years or 100K miles so I am going to take them at their word since they are backing it up with their money. :)

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Re: How much to charge my 2016 Leaf for battery life

Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:54 pm

GaleHawkins wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:57 am
Yes in theory using the 10% to 80% range is best but that limits a 100 mile battery range to 70 miles on a nice clear 65F day and maybe 50 miles if the weather was like yesterday morning at my house. My battery has been recharged about 750 times. I saw a 2011 that had been recharged 7000 times mentioned the other day and still had 50% of its new range.

Our car is for butt moving so it will not see much butt pampering. I am not into abuse of people, animals or machines but the Leaf is a low end EV range wise. Using the middle 70% of a 300 mile battery is very doable for most people but not so much for a battery with a solid 50 to 80 mile range on a charge when you are doing 60 miles daily. Nissan states it is good for 8 years or 100K miles so I am going to take them at their word since they are backing it up with their money. :)
Your best bet is to charge it to 100% every day and just drive it. That battery doesn't like heat but where you are that's only 3-4 months out of the year. You ought to be able to get 1500 charge cycles out of the battery. That will put you close to the warranty limit. With some management on your part, you ought to be eligible for a replacement battery before the warranty expires. I will warn you that range gets hard to manage below 75%. On the plus side, there are going to be a lot more DCFC chargers available for a boost if the battery is running low.

I wouldn't advise driving down to turtle. Discharging the battery that low doesn't help either the battery or the software. It's good to know where turtle is but you really don't want to go there unless you have to. Charging to 100% occasionally is necessary to keep the BMS honest. Keeping the battery below 90% in the summer is a good idea if you want to extend battery life. If your objective is to have the battery replaced just before the warranty ends adjust your habits accordingly. Keep in mind that Nissan is looking for the loss of 4 bars only. Nothing else matters to them. That will occur somewhere around an SOH of 64%. Use Leafspy to check the value. If you don't have Leafspy, get it! it's invaluable for monitoring the battery.
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Re: How much to charge my 2016 Leaf for battery life

Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:49 pm

One caveat: Nissan will void the battery warranty if the pack is at 120F or higher for 24 hours, IIRC. So don't go to extremes.
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Re: How much to charge my 2016 Leaf for battery life

Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:58 pm

johnlocke wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:54 pm
GaleHawkins wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:57 am
Yes in theory using the 10% to 80% range is best but that limits a 100 mile battery range to 70 miles on a nice clear 65F day and maybe 50 miles if the weather was like yesterday morning at my house. My battery has been recharged about 750 times. I saw a 2011 that had been recharged 7000 times mentioned the other day and still had 50% of its new range.

Our car is for butt moving so it will not see much butt pampering. I am not into abuse of people, animals or machines but the Leaf is a low end EV range wise. Using the middle 70% of a 300 mile battery is very doable for most people but not so much for a battery with a solid 50 to 80 mile range on a charge when you are doing 60 miles daily. Nissan states it is good for 8 years or 100K miles so I am going to take them at their word since they are backing it up with their money. :)
Your best bet is to charge it to 100% every day and just drive it. That battery doesn't like heat but where you are that's only 3-4 months out of the year. You ought to be able to get 1500 charge cycles out of the battery. That will put you close to the warranty limit. With some management on your part, you ought to be eligible for a replacement battery before the warranty expires. I will warn you that range gets hard to manage below 75%. On the plus side, there are going to be a lot more DCFC chargers available for a boost if the battery is running low.

I wouldn't advise driving down to turtle. Discharging the battery that low doesn't help either the battery or the software. It's good to know where turtle is but you really don't want to go there unless you have to. Charging to 100% occasionally is necessary to keep the BMS honest. Keeping the battery below 90% in the summer is a good idea if you want to extend battery life. If your objective is to have the battery replaced just before the warranty ends adjust your habits accordingly. Keep in mind that Nissan is looking for the loss of 4 bars only. Nothing else matters to them. That will occur somewhere around an SOH of 64%. Use Leafspy to check the value. If you don't have Leafspy, get it! it's invaluable for monitoring the battery.
Thanks for the info. As of 2 days ago SOH= 64.85 and I only hit Turtle mode once when I was 300 feet from the charger. Another time I was at the charger. Turtle happens at around 6 Gids so I try to make sure not to go below 8 when testing for max miles which is around 60 miles in winter driving and some at 70 MPH. The hot seat and steering wheel feels good to my old bones and joints.

In B mode it is really hard to deplete the battery I have found because at that point the Regen can really make Leaf Spy Pro show a bump in SOC.

I do not think the software update has been done so I need to get that done so Nissan can look at it if the 4th bar is lost. The salesman did not get me with the shop but he talked with him and that they said there was no way that battery going not drop the 4th bar sooner than later.

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Re: How much to charge my 2016 Leaf for battery life

Thu Nov 14, 2019 1:33 pm

GaleHawkins wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:58 pm
johnlocke wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:54 pm
GaleHawkins wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:57 am
Yes in theory using the 10% to 80% range is best but that limits a 100 mile battery range to 70 miles on a nice clear 65F day and maybe 50 miles if the weather was like yesterday morning at my house. My battery has been recharged about 750 times. I saw a 2011 that had been recharged 7000 times mentioned the other day and still had 50% of its new range.

Our car is for butt moving so it will not see much butt pampering. I am not into abuse of people, animals or machines but the Leaf is a low end EV range wise. Using the middle 70% of a 300 mile battery is very doable for most people but not so much for a battery with a solid 50 to 80 mile range on a charge when you are doing 60 miles daily. Nissan states it is good for 8 years or 100K miles so I am going to take them at their word since they are backing it up with their money. :)
Your best bet is to charge it to 100% every day and just drive it. That battery doesn't like heat but where you are that's only 3-4 months out of the year. You ought to be able to get 1500 charge cycles out of the battery. That will put you close to the warranty limit. With some management on your part, you ought to be eligible for a replacement battery before the warranty expires. I will warn you that range gets hard to manage below 75%. On the plus side, there are going to be a lot more DCFC chargers available for a boost if the battery is running low.

I wouldn't advise driving down to turtle. Discharging the battery that low doesn't help either the battery or the software. It's good to know where turtle is but you really don't want to go there unless you have to. Charging to 100% occasionally is necessary to keep the BMS honest. Keeping the battery below 90% in the summer is a good idea if you want to extend battery life. If your objective is to have the battery replaced just before the warranty ends adjust your habits accordingly. Keep in mind that Nissan is looking for the loss of 4 bars only. Nothing else matters to them. That will occur somewhere around an SOH of 64%. Use Leafspy to check the value. If you don't have Leafspy, get it! it's invaluable for monitoring the battery.
Thanks for the info. As of 2 days ago SOH= 64.85 and I only hit Turtle mode once when I was 300 feet from the charger. Another time I was at the charger. Turtle happens at around 6 Gids so I try to make sure not to go below 8 when testing for max miles which is around 60 miles in winter driving and some at 70 MPH. The hot seat and steering wheel feels good to my old bones and joints.

In B mode it is really hard to deplete the battery I have found because at that point the Regen can really make Leaf Spy Pro show a bump in SOC.

I do not think the software update has been done so I need to get that done so Nissan can look at it if the 4th bar is lost. The salesman did not get me with the shop but he talked with him and that they said there was no way that battery going not drop the 4th bar sooner than later.
Just out of curiosity, how many miles do you have on the car? By all means get the software update. It will likely bump you up a bar on the capacity gauge but if you're at 64% SOH now, I doubt it will get much better than 75%. I got 900 charges out of my first battery before it qualified for replacement, but the second one is holding up a bit better.
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Re: How much to charge my 2016 Leaf for battery life

Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:47 pm

2016 Leaf SL with 23K miles. Average miles per charge is 30 and expect charged with OEM L1.

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Re: How much to charge my 2016 Leaf for battery life

Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:23 pm

GaleHawkins wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:47 pm
2016 Leaf SL with 23K miles. Average miles per charge is 30 and expect charged with OEM L1.
Sounds like the previous owner charged it after every drive. Probably left it sitting for days at full charge as well. On the bright side, with 77,000 miles and 5 years left on the warranty you can be pretty sure of getting a free replacement battery. Just drive it and enjoy. You can always baby the replacement battery after you get it.
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Re: How much to charge my 2016 Leaf for battery life

Sun Nov 17, 2019 1:19 am

LeftieBiker wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:49 pm
One caveat: Nissan will void the battery warranty if the pack is at 120F or higher for 24 hours, IIRC. So don't go to extremes.
The battery warranty void disclaimer is for having car in ambient temperature of 120 F or higher for 24 hours continuous--not actual battery temperature.
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Re: How much to charge my 2016 Leaf for battery life

Sun Nov 17, 2019 2:05 am

GerryAZ wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 1:19 am
LeftieBiker wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:49 pm
One caveat: Nissan will void the battery warranty if the pack is at 120F or higher for 24 hours, IIRC. So don't go to extremes.
The battery warranty void disclaimer is for having car in ambient temperature of 120 F or higher for 24 hours continuous--not actual battery temperature.

Yes, that sounds right. Thanks for the correction.
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