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Re: Battery-electric cars will struggle...

Mon Mar 21, 2011 1:46 pm

My daughter loves that song and video :P . AND that article is FUBAR :!:
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Re: Battery-electric cars will struggle...

Mon Mar 21, 2011 1:50 pm

I think they are talking about the Volt not the Leaf :lol: ;)
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Re: Battery-electric cars will struggle...

Mon Mar 21, 2011 2:02 pm

Typical EV FUD.
I disagree. The author made, as mogur stated, many valid points. I think it was well written.

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Re: Battery-electric cars will struggle...

Mon Mar 21, 2011 2:08 pm

TRONZ wrote:My daughter loves that song and video :P
It's no secret that little girls are the earliest EV adopters:

http://www.fisher-price.com/us/powerwhe ... ?pid=54715

But most everyone else is concerned with their image :lol:
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Re: Battery-electric cars will struggle...

Mon Mar 21, 2011 2:09 pm

mogur wrote:I dunno... The article made a number of valid points. We have to remember that we are preaching to the choir here but that the church is only so large at this point and getting new members to join will become increasing hard...

I agree with Mogur

drees wrote:Typical EV FUD.
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Re: Battery-electric cars will struggle...

Mon Mar 21, 2011 2:13 pm

LTLFTcomposite wrote:You've gotta be kidding with that video, that's even more embarrassing than the polar bear thing.

Keep it up and I'll have to get my windows tinted dark too.
Yup; that video would be fine for 3-6yr olds watching Sesame Street. Barf-barf-barf :roll: :roll:
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Re: Battery-electric cars will struggle...

Mon Mar 21, 2011 2:54 pm

My problem is that it is too one-sided. There are many positives to an EV. You really can't dismiss them because they may only have a very limited role to play in long distance transportation, but they can be ideal for urban transportation.

Look at the Prius. I'm certain that you wouldn't claim that it is early adopters that are keeping that car selling. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that the Prius has been out over 10 years. A friend of mine looked into buying one and then backed away because on a strictly dollars and cents issue, he didn't think that the added mileage would make up for the premium paid for the car. People buy for a variety of reasons and there is reason to believe, given the positives of EVs, that enough people will opt for them which will keep the improvements coming.

I think what is happening is that we have an old school journalist who cannot see that just like the Prius we may be seeing a new niche market emerging.
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Re: Battery-electric cars will struggle...

Mon Mar 21, 2011 3:08 pm

derkraut wrote:
LTLFTcomposite wrote:You've gotta be kidding with that video, that's even more embarrassing than the polar bear thing.

Keep it up and I'll have to get my windows tinted dark too.
Yup; that video would be fine for 3-6yr olds watching Sesame Street. Barf-barf-barf :roll: :roll:
So do you hate little girls, Sesame Street or both???
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Re: Battery-electric cars will struggle...

Mon Mar 21, 2011 3:20 pm

ERG4ALL wrote:My problem is that it is too one-sided. There are many positives to an EV. You really can't dismiss them because they may only have a very limited role to play in long distance transportation, but they can be ideal for urban transportation.
Clearly. For trips longer than 500 miles most people fly anyway. For trips 200-500 miles in length, high speed rail is the preferred solution, but the US is a little slow on the uptake there.

Everyone agrees 100 miles is pretty limiting. Hopefully we'll see that double in the near future, combined with a 50% cost reduction. Remember the first flat panel TVs were 8 grand a few years ago and they weren't even high def.
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Re: Battery-electric cars will struggle...

Mon Mar 21, 2011 3:23 pm

Two car household eliminates the whole distance limitation issue assuming one is an ICE.
Yet the articles have primarily ignored the fact that most households have two even three vehicle now.
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