CarlFlat
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Re: New Member, trying to get off the fence

Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:08 pm

As I said earlier, I test drove a Bolt, yesterday. What I didn't say, and can now say with clarity, is that I had thought to myself as I left the Chevy dealer, "Is this a car I am happy to drive? Is this a car I will want to experience every day?" I wrestled with myself, as, the only frame of reference I had was the heavy, stable Rav4, which I currently drive. I was worried that if the Leaf felt as clunky as the Bolt I might have to delay my move to an electric car for more years.

I drove a brand new 2020 Leaf Plus (with leather seats) this morning and the answer was crystal clear. I would not be happy to own a Bolt. That decision was made. The ride of the 2020 Leaf was very comfortable, in stark contrast.

Then I got to check out (and drive, again, this time on the highway), a pretty reasonably priced, but still considerably over my budget, 2019 with 15k miles on it. Of course it was also a pleasure to drive.

So I'm now left with my internal struggle; 2017 first generation within my budget, or allocate more money and get a 2nd generation - which, unfortunately, is still weak in terms of range. But I really can't resolve this before I drive a 2017.

I'm closer, but still can't yet get off the fence.

Thank you to everyone who has shared/helped, here, so far. Driver8's testimonial, just now has been a great booster! ...but especially useful in reminding me that the cost doesn't end at the price!!! I've got to leave room/funds for the taxes. (and a more expensive car WILL also cost more to insure, every year)

I must ask the list folk again, if you can Please direct me to details of how LeafSpy gets set up to work on iOS.

LeftieBiker
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Re: New Member, trying to get off the fence

Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:19 pm

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alozzy
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Re: New Member, trying to get off the fence

Thu Oct 15, 2020 12:25 am

CarlFlat wrote:
Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:08 pm

So I'm now left with my internal struggle; 2017 first generation within my budget, or allocate more money and get a 2nd generation - which, unfortunately, is still weak in terms of range. But I really can't resolve this before I drive a 2017.

I'm closer, but still can't yet get off the fence.
FWIW, depreciation on a new LEAF is heavy over the first 5 years. So, as long as you plan to keep that 2019 LEAF long term, that's not a big deal.

However, if you plan to change cars within the next 5 years, or you just like a bargain, then that 12 bar 2016 SV looks like a better choice. You should be able to get it for $12K before taxes.

You mentioned you have a RAV 4, for sake of argument I'll assume it's a 2005, which gets 22 mpg combined (when new, likely worse now). If you drive 15,000 miles per year, and pay $2.50 per gallon, then that's roughly (15,000 miles / 22 mpg) x $2.50 per gallon = $1700 in annual gas costs. I could add in oil changes and other unavoidable maintenance of your average ICE car, but that's really not even necessary...

I think you pay about $0.12/kWh for electricity where you live. So, a 2016 SV that averages 4 miles/kWh will consume roughly 3,750 kWh to travel those same 15,000 miles. Your electricity cost on that is roughly $450 annually.

In other words, you should save about $100 every month in fuel savings alone vs your RAV 4.

Further, if you take a $10,000 loan over 5 years, that's about $180 per monthly payment. So, for the term of the loan, your LEAF will cost you a net of $80 monthly. Once the loan is paid off, it will cost you only $40 monthly for electricity (less if you sometimes get free public charging).

If you decide to sell the LEAF after 5 years (not sure why anyone would, since it's practically free transport at that point), then it will likely still be worth $4K.

Pretty hard to beat the TOC on a 3 year old LEAF...
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dmacarthur
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Re: New Member, trying to get off the fence

Thu Oct 15, 2020 3:12 am

As for the comparison between the Leaf and a RAV 4, we have a Honda CRV and we both prefer driving the Leaf- unless you need 4WD don't worry about the driving, it is stable and sturdy-feeling.
2015 Leaf sold
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dcdisc
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Re: New Member, trying to get off the fence

Thu Oct 15, 2020 7:24 am

Do you have the time/ability to charge during the 80 mile trip?Plug share/Ev go/Chargepoint and others will show most chargers on Long Island.My guess is the 2017 will drive the same as the 2019,though with less range.You can charge at home?2017 will be @6k less 11k vs 17k than a 2018.Once you decide check the usual sites.cars/autotrader/carguru/truecar/craigslist.Its a great car,if it fits your needed range.

CarlFlat
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Re: New Member, trying to get off the fence

Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:39 am

I am currently planning to find and drive a 2016 and/or 2017 as soon as possible, but they don't appear to be quite as low in cost. I would jump on a 2017 that checked out for $11k, at this point. I have LELink ordered, and as soon as it comes I'll be anxious to try it out with LeafSpy on a vehicle. If, as you suggest, I find it rides as comfortably as the 2019, I'll be a Leaf owner soon.

In terms of charging in mid-trip, how can I know if a car I'm looking at definitely can take a Quick /DC charge?

PrairieLEAF
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Re: New Member, trying to get off the fence

Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:03 am

All 2016-2017 SV and SL trim cars can CHAdeMo quick-charge.

2016-2017 S-trim cars need the quick-charge package. There are several ways to tell: opening flip cover over large CHAdeMo connector under charging hood vs fixed, unopenable cover; extra orange cable going to front of car underhood; time estimate for 6 kW charge in 'time to charge' screen in instrument cluster (cars without QC only have 120 V and 3 kW estimates).

If you come across a 2016 S-trim, check the 4th digit in the VIN. A = 24 kWh battery, B = 30 kWh. All 2017 LEAFs and all 2016 SV and SL are 30 kWh.

I personally enjoy level-2 charging, as long as I'm not in a hurry. I like the opportunity to explore around/stretch/snack. A 6 kW level 2 charger can add as much as 27%/hour to a 30 kWh LEAF. Depending on how much you need, it can still be a pretty quick charge stop (and is often free!).

Tire/wheel size and tire pressure make quite a bit of difference in ride characteristics. Larger diameter wheels and more tire pressure = stiffer ride. You might bring a tire gauge to test drives and make a note of wheel size to make sure you're actually comparing suspension.

I've also heard good things about the Hyundai IONIQ EV, and the MINI-E sounds fun. If considering buying new, mention and/or check with your utility company--the utility companies around here offer $7,500 rebates off various new EVs at various times.
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2016 LEAF S-30 w/QC "Lexie"

dcdisc
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Re: New Member, trying to get off the fence

Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:09 am

2016 sl 42k miles for 9999.00 private sale. 24 miles from 11101. Could work,,, on cars,com late 2016 builds are good,

alozzy
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Re: New Member, trying to get off the fence

Thu Oct 15, 2020 5:47 pm

Mentioned it before, if I was in your shoes I would definitely check this one out:

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sal ... =556997536

LeafSpy is a must though, I wouldn't buy a used LEAF without it
Vancouver, CA owner of a 2013 Ocean Blue SV + QC, purchased 01/2017 in WA
Zencar 12/20/24/30A L1/L2 portable EVSE
1-1/4" Curt #11396 hitch
After market, DIY LED DRLs
LeafSpy Pro + Konnwei KW902 ELM327 BT OBDII dongle
Loving my first BEV :D

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