Oilpan4
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Re: New Member, trying to get off the fence

Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:35 am

Where you at?
Some places it may not be a good idea to have a leaf.
When you buy a leaf you want to avoid getting one from a hot location.
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LeftieBiker
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Re: New Member, trying to get off the fence

Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:12 pm

CarlFlat wrote:
Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:08 am
PrairieLEAF wrote:
Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:47 am
....I do not find preowned 2018+ LEAFs to be very good values. If I needed more capacity, I would look into a preowned Chevy Bolt. They have 60 kWh of capacity and have started to come down to $14.5-17k, which I see as an incredible EV value.....
I think you've identified the horns of my current dilemma.

If I could get away with the 2017/30kWh Leaf and keep the cost down below $12k, I'd be happy. But if I have to spend another $5k or more for a 2018 (or 2019, which is available in the same ballpark), why wouldn't I choose one, like the Bolt, that gives me range to spare for about the same money? (I'm not seeing comparable Bolts below $17k).

IOW, is a 2019 Leaf so much better than a Bolt that I leave all that extra range on the table?

That's a real question. Perhaps some of you have the answer(s).
It comes down to comfort. Drive a Bolt. If you like the way it drives and feels, then it's a better buy. Some of us were less than impressed with the way the car drove and with the ergonomics.
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Re: New Member, trying to get off the fence

Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:49 pm

I would second that. IF you like the Bolt, it is a great option. For most driving needs the Bolt, M3, Leaf, Kona, Niro, etc.. will meet your typical driving needs year round. How you like the time in the ride (combined with cost) them become the determining factors.
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alozzy
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Re: New Member, trying to get off the fence

Tue Oct 13, 2020 5:26 pm

Looks like the OP is in Long Island, NY. My understanding is that winters there aren't that harsh, so he could probably get 60 miles of cold weather range from a good condition 30 kWh pack. I'm sure others from that area can chime in though with more accurate estimates...

Having said that, there seem to be many charging options in his area, according to PlugShare, so he should be able to charge enroute, when necessary.

This 2016 SV appears to have 12 capacity bars intact:

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sal ... =556997536

According to the original sales sticker, it's an SV with a 30 kWh pack, includes only the splash guard and floor/cargo mats. Is DC charging included on a 2016 SV as standard equipment? Pretty sure there was still a charging package, in which case this LEAF doesn't have that.

Not a bad deal at that price.
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Re: New Member, trying to get off the fence

Tue Oct 13, 2020 6:55 pm

IIRC, from 2015 on the Charge Package was for the S only. The SV and SL came with it.
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Re: New Member, trying to get off the fence

Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:54 pm

Thanks LeftieBiker, I couldn't remember :-)
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Re: New Member, trying to get off the fence

Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:30 pm

I'm not 100% sure about 2015. I am sure that in 2016/2017 QC was standard except on the S.
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CarlFlat
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Re: New Member, trying to get off the fence

Wed Oct 14, 2020 5:52 am

Re: Bolt - I test drove a new 2020, yesterday. Not impressed with the ride.

Looking forward to test driving my first, ever, Leaf today, albeit a 2019. I'll take what I can get. I need to compare the ride to the Bolt and it's the only one available to me right now.

Re: 2016 link sent above. According to vehiclehistory.com it not only has the Quick Charge System, but heated seats and steering wheel. I'm assuming that means it has a heat pump, yes?
As for 12 bars, I need to be schooled on that. So, even though the photo shows that the vehicle is only charged with 20 miles of range, there seem to be all bars available (white? are they grey or just gone when they are not available anymore?) - Question: when a vehicle loses bars they disappear even when the car is not fully charged? I don't need to see a fully charged screen in order to know if it has already lost bars?

...But I do need to check on the BMS update-
Please help me find details/instructions on LeafSpy use with an iPhone.

Also, important question for me- On Gen 2, 2018, 2019 Leafs, is there a BMS update issue or is that only on older, Gen 1 vehicles before 2018?

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Re: New Member, trying to get off the fence

Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:03 am

Until 2018, all post-2012 SV and SL Leafs have the heatpump. The BMS update applies only to the 2016-2017 30kwh batteries. The capacity bars, which are the little bars right next to the larger charge bars, vanish from sight as capacity is lost. One may reappear briefly after the first time it 'drops' and then go away for good. The capacity display is independent of the charge display, so the number of capacity bars stays the same regardless of state of charge.
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Driver8
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Re: New Member, trying to get off the fence

Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:33 pm

I just bought a pre-owned, "certified" 12-bar 2017 S Leaf from a local Nissan dealer (New Haven, CT are). They were fine with me plugging in to run Leafspy, which was helpful as they didn't have the battery report and the one tech who could run it wasn't there that day. I'm not totally sure it was worth it to get it from the Nissan dealer. Definitely a little more expensive I imagine. But supposedly that did help "extend" my warranty some. The sales folks were somewhat more familiar with the Leaf than an average used car lot would be, but they weren't experts by any mean. I probably paid a little more than I would have liked for the car ($12K list price, and out the door was around $15k, as CT taxes are brutal), but so far after 3 weeks, we're pretty happy with it, and getting good range out of it.

Leafspy is totally worth it, as that top (12th) bar of battery capacity really runs from 100-85%. So you could be on the high or the low end of that, and it's nice to know.

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